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I had to double check as I thought it might have been you with the pass rushing evaluations last year, but it was actually @calh45 that said Chase Young would get his GM fired.:huhldup:.

I still don't believe in him. He all bark and no bite. He plays hard, but 7.5 sacks ain't a whole lot to write home about and he still pass rushes like the tackle is a cone he can just run over. They were speaking about him like he was the second coming of LT and he didn't even get into the top 25 of most sacks in a season by a rookie and wasn't in the top 20 for sacks this season AND didn't even have the most sacks on his team.
 

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I still don't believe in him. He all bark and no bite. He plays hard, but 7.5 sacks ain't a whole lot to write home about and he still pass rushes like the tackle is a cone he can just run over. They were speaking about him like he was the second coming of LT and he didn't even get into the top 25 of most sacks in a season by a rookie and wasn't in the top 20 for sacks this season AND didn't even have the most sacks on his team.
judging a pass rusher's impact by sacks should not be a thing in 2021

nick bosa had 9 sacks in 2019 and was the most dominant player for the 49ers, and was one of the main reasons, if not the biggest reason they came very close to a SB win.


chase young was dominant last year, on a shytty team. their defense went from bottom half of the league to top 5 in both points and yards allowed. this dline is young and scary af.
 

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judging a pass rusher's impact by sacks should not be a thing in 2021

nick bosa had 9 sacks in 2019 and was the most dominant player for the 49ers, and was one of the main reasons, if not the biggest reason they came very close to a SB win.


chase young was dominant last year, on a shytty team. their defense went from bottom half of the league to top 5 in both points and yards allowed. this dline is young and scary af.

Pass rushers are judged off sacks so I used the it as a quick reference, but their defenses ascension had more to do with their division and playing against Andy Dalton, Daniel Jones, and Philly's rotation of terrible QBs. If you want to assign players to their improvement then it is a lot more to do with Montez Sweat and Bostic than him.

Everyone spent his last season in college calling him a generational talent. He didn't live up to that 2nd pick at all or the hype. Patrick Queen was the best defensive rookie last year and it's a fukking shame he was third in defensive rookie of the year plus there were several first round rookies that had more of an impact on their squads than Chase did. Jefferson on Minne, Herbert on SD, Becton on the Jets, and Edwards-Helaire on the Chiefs.
 

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Mcshay has the panther trading up to 7th to take Trey Lance and then the pats trading up to 11 to take Fields:dwillhuh:
 

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Pass rushers are judged off sacks so I used the it as a quick reference, but their defenses ascension had more to do with their division and playing against Andy Dalton, Daniel Jones, and Philly's rotation of terrible QBs. If you want to assign players to their improvement then it is a lot more to do with Montez Sweat and Bostic than him.

Everyone spent his last season in college calling him a generational talent. He didn't live up to that 2nd pick at all or the hype. Patrick Queen was the best defensive rookie last year and it's a fukking shame he was third in defensive rookie of the year plus there were several first round rookies that had more of an impact on their squads than Chase did. Jefferson on Minne, Herbert on SD, Becton on the Jets, and Edwards-Helaire on the Chiefs.
Sweat is a beast but Chase dominated too...and you can't compare offensive talent to defensive talent, its apples and oranges.
Chase generates a shytton of pressures and for only 6 sacks or whatever he's had, he had like 5 forced fumbles. again, the line is dominant and makes the whole defense damn near elite
the lines can't cheat and slide to sweat, they have to account for the problem that is Chase. and he ended the year on a complete tear.

I really don't see how he's a disappointment. he was ranked #2 rookie by pff. he was jumping off the tape for most of these games
 

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Pass rushers are judged off sacks so I used the it as a quick reference, but their defenses ascension had more to do with their division and playing against Andy Dalton, Daniel Jones, and Philly's rotation of terrible QBs. If you want to assign players to their improvement then it is a lot more to do with Montez Sweat and Bostic than him.

Everyone spent his last season in college calling him a generational talent. He didn't live up to that 2nd pick at all or the hype. Patrick Queen was the best defensive rookie last year and it's a fukking shame he was third in defensive rookie of the year plus there were several first round rookies that had more of an impact on their squads than Chase did. Jefferson on Minne, Herbert on SD, Becton on the Jets, and Edwards-Helaire on the Chiefs.
Queen was not even close to the best defensive rookie last year. He was a liability in coverage his coverage ratings were terrible ask any ravens fan. By the end of the the the season they were almost using him as a 2 down linebacker because of this. Him and brooks were a wash honestly. Winfield was much better along w several other defensive rookies
 
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