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If they prioritized social issues dems would have won considering abortion was at the top of all social issues. Once again republicans are winning because of the ecomomy and economic conditions. You buffoons confuse republicans ability to tie in social issues with economic anxiety as the soul reason behind why trump wins. When austerity exist you can blame anything and everything including social issues.
We're talking about MODERATE/CENTRIST voters here, not liberal/progressive voters.

The social issues that moderate/centrist voters cared the most about in 2024 (immigration & trans issues) outweighed everything else to enough of them, and that allowed Trump to win.
 

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Then you need to stop confusing progressive with chaos. Wanting affordable housing, stronger tenant protections, union jobs, and healthcare isn’t anarchism; it’s basic governance that works for people who aren’t millionaires.

The issue isn’t sanctuary cities
Is being against sanctuary cities fear mongering?
or crime but the fear-mongering around them.
theres fear mongering around crime?
Most people want safe neighborhoods and functioning services.
So why are you against law enforcement?
Progressives want exactly that, just without criminalizing poverty or throwing more cops at symptoms while ignoring causes.
How is poverty criminalized?
You say it’s the issue set? Fine. The issue is the system’s broken and the only ones even trying to fix it are the ones you call "too far left."
Is it fear mongering for city residents to not want undocumented migrants in their cities?
 

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Some progressives shame people if they worry about crime or homelessness at all.

There can be a middle ground between the republicans who fear monger and progressives who bash you if you worry about your safety at all.

The homeless on the subway is the dumbest idea ever.

My girl has been attacked/harrased twice on the subway the last two years by the homeless. It’s a problem

And NO it doesn’t mean I think all or most homeless people are like this but all it takes is one.

Just because the government hasn’t properly figured out how to help these people doesn’t mean citizens should ignore or accept any danger from them

You're right that people have a right to feel safe. And progressives screw up when they dismiss those fears instead of addressing them head-on. But the real issue is that too many in power treat homelessness like a nuisance instead of a failure of policy.

Nobody thinks riding the subway with someone in a mental health crisis is normal or acceptable.

What progressives are saying is: stop pretending the solution is more cops and crackdowns. That’s how we got here in the first place. We need housing-first policies, mental health resources, and actual long-term investment and not just pushing people from one street corner to the next.
 

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Some progressives shame people if they worry about crime or homelessness at all.

There can be a middle ground between the republicans who fear monger and progressives who bash you if you worry about your safety at all.

The homeless on the subway is the dumbest idea ever.

My girl has been attacked/harrased twice on the subway the last two years by the homeless. It’s a problem

And NO it doesn’t mean I think all or most homeless people are like this but all it takes is one.

Just because the government hasn’t properly figured out how to help these people doesn’t mean citizens should ignore or accept any danger from them
Yep exactly.

Last year, I was taking my cousin to Manhattan (she's from out of town), and we got off at 42nd St. As we were going up the stairs, there was a huge puddle of pee left there by homeless people. It was disgusting and embarrassing:scust:


Get the homeless the hell away from the subway :camby:
 

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on the same note, progressives shouldn't be taking this NYC win as some kind of national mandate :mjlol:

it's not only being met with scorn from the rest of the country, but he literally had the incumbent, and a rapist establishment blowhard who most people think should go away, split the rest of the vote

and i respect what mamdani did here :hubie: but i wouldn't get carried away by this unique set of circumstances. in a way, it was any newcomer's race to win
You're describing Trump and America voted for him twice. Nothing unique here.

And don't worry about Dems learning a lesson about leaning with real leftist policies; they won't. The centrist dems are almost as pissed as the rethugs about Mamdani's win.

The current Dem strategy is to forcibly pull the democratic base to right, to appease maga voters and independents. Nobody is calling it a manadate it proves what progressives have been saying for decades, democratic voters aren't afraid of progressive candidates or progressive stances......only Capital Hill dems are.
 

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Nobody is calling it a manadate it proves what progressives have been saying for decades, democratic voters aren't afraid of progressive candidates or progressive stances......only Capital Hill dems are.
so basically, they're great at winning dark blue areas, and nothing else. how long have i been saying that for? :dead:
 

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Is being against sanctuary cities fear mongering?

theres fear mongering around crime?

So why are you against law enforcement?

How is poverty criminalized?

Is it fear mongering for city residents to not want undocumented migrants in their cities?

Is being against sanctuary cities fear mongering?
If your saying we should coordinate services better, fine. If you acting like every undocumentated is a criminal, then your fearmongering. Sanctuary cities don't mean lawlessness, it just means not turning local police into ICE Agents.

theres fear mongering around crime?

Crime exists, but so does manipulation. When a headlines screams about one incident and ignores 100 normal days for example.

So why are you against law enforcement?

Not against it. I am against policy that throws cops at every problem and calls it a solution. Policing cannot fix housing, mental health or addiction itself.

How is poverty criminalized?
Loitering laws, Anti-Homeless ordinances, The Bail System.

Is it fear mongering for city residents to not want undocumented migrants in their cities?

Blaming immigrants from crime to rent prices isn't concern, its scapegoating. Undocumented are the most exploited in this country. The system failing you isn't their fault at all, but rather the ones hoarding power.
 

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Is being against sanctuary cities fear mongering?
If your saying we should coordinate services better, fine. If you acting like every undocumentated is a criminal, then your fearmongering. Sanctuary cities don't mean lawlessness, it just means not turning local police into ICE Agents.
They are criminals. You just want to give them a pass on the first law they broke.
theres fear mongering around crime?
Crime exists, but so does manipulation. When a headlines screams about one incident and ignores 100 normal days for example.
How much crime is good?
So why are you against law enforcement?
Not against it. I am against policy that throws cops at every problem and calls it a solution. Policing cannot fix housing, mental health or addiction itself.
Do you support defunding the police?
How is poverty criminalized?
Loitering laws, Anti-Homeless ordinances, The Bail System.
Those are good laws. Whats the problem?

Bail reform failed by giving too many repeat offenders too many chances to be released early and charges outright droppeda
Is it fear mongering for city residents to not want undocumented migrants in their cities?
Blaming immigrants from crime to rent prices isn't concern, its scapegoating. Undocumented are the most exploited in this country. The system failing you isn't their fault at all, but rather the ones hoarding power.

Should illegal migrants be in the country?
 

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You're right that people have a right to feel safe. And progressives screw up when they dismiss those fears instead of addressing them head-on. But the real issue is that too many in power treat homelessness like a nuisance instead of a failure of policy.

Nobody thinks riding the subway with someone in a mental health crisis is normal or acceptable.

What progressives are saying is: stop pretending the solution is more cops and crackdowns. That’s how we got here in the first place. We need housing-first policies, mental health resources, and actual long-term investment and not just pushing people from one street corner to the next.
Police are a backstop of institutional failure. So now you want to remove the backstop?
 

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You're describing Trump and America voted for him twice. Nothing unique here.

And don't worry about Dems learning a lesson about leaning with real leftist policies; they won't. The centrist dems are almost as pissed as the rethugs about Mamdani's win.

The current Dem strategy is to forcibly pull the democratic base to right, to appease maga voters and independents. Nobody is calling it a manadate it proves what progressives have been saying for decades, democratic voters aren't afraid of progressive candidates or progressive stances......only Capital Hill dems are.
Have you considered that the ideas themselves are the problem?
 

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They are criminals. You just want to give them a pass on the first law they broke.

How much crime is good?

Do you support defunding the police?

Those are good laws. Whats the problem?

Bail reform failed by giving too many repeat offenders too many chances to be released early and charges outright droppeda

Should illegal migrants be in the country?

They are criminals. You just want to give them a pass on the first law they broke.
If you mean by crossing the border without papers? That's a civil offense, not a felony.

How much crime is good?
None, but pretending we can police our way to zero crime is fantasy. You want safety? You fix housing, schools, healthcare and jobs.

Do you support defunding the police?
I supporting funding solutions that work. If that means shifting money from bloated polices budgets, to services that reduce crime at the room, then yeah. Call it what you want, the point is safety and not slogans.

Those are good laws. Whats the problem?
The problem is they target poverty, and not behavior. You get fined for sleeping in pubic, or locked up because you can't afford bail, not because your a threat.

Bail reform failed by giving too many repeat offenders too many chances to be released early and charges outright droppeda
Bad implementation failed. Reform didn't mean let everyone out forever, it meant stop locking up nonviolent folks because they are broke.

Should illegal migrants be in the country?
They are already here; working, paying taxes, raising families, and being exploited. The question is: Do we want this country that treats people with dignity, or one that scapegoats them while billionaires loot it blind?

Police are a backstop of institutional failure. So now you want to remove the backstop?

If police are the backstop, then it means everything else failed: housing, healthcare, jobs, education. So why are we pouring endless money into the backstop while letting the entire system rot?
 
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