300k in loans for 50k a year? The emergence of elite masters degrees is strangling student borrowers

[8WON6]

A degree works if you pair it up with something else like nepotism or a network or a big pile of inheritance money. But on it's own, for most people it's nothing but a personal accomplishment and debt. Too many have been sold this idea that a degree would just unlock doors to that 6 figure lifestyle.

 

[THE MACHINE]

Owe a mortgage without a house brehs

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Filmmaking should be a trade school program. Shouldn't be a degree at these top tier schools paying top tier tuition and come out making 40-50k a year.

I get that 800 people applied for a program that had 72 spots and self accountability is definitely an issue, but most of those 72 spots are barely going to go on to be any more than production assistants and gaffers. It's a system that's going to collapse on itself. Especially as you really don't need to go to school to be a filmmaker.

An MFA in film is worth it IF and only if you're going the academia route. The level of theory you get in a BFA program is far more in-depth than what you'd get at a trade school. Certain types of skills in the business (namely screenwriting) actually benefit from the school setting. Beyond that, the only thing a BFA has over a trade school is the networking. The actual film production skills can definitely be learned at a trade school, and chances are you'll actually get to touch film equipment in a trade school a lot quicker and more frequently than a 4-year student would.

I think you meant best boy grips as opposed to gaffers, if you're a gaffer on bigger productions you make bank and you're the lead man of that G&E department. Even best boy grips can make decent money depending on the region, in the Bay Area the going rate for best boy grips on commercials is $600-650/day. If you work 15 jobs a month that's $9,000 a month or roughly six figures before taxes right there.

And with so many people getting that easy Arts degree, how many $50k jobs are there?

Slow your roll playa, STEM ain't the only way to make six figures. It might be one of the more straightforward ways, but there's many roads to do that if that's your definition of success.

Now, for those whose only plan/vision to making six figures is going to school and getting a degree, breh is 100% right, skip the arts degree and do STEM. If you know how to network and how to invest in yourself whether you're in school or not, the playing field is a little wider, but you still need to be smart about where you spend your tuition money and how much.

 

[SNG]

My ex was 70,000 in debt for arts degree and she told me we in this together. I dodged a bullet

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

My ex was 70,000 in debt for arts degree and she told me we in this together. I dodged a bullet

 

[SheWantTheD]

Did he not think about this every time he applied for student loans??? Every semester???

 

[Vandelay]

An MFA in film is worth it IF and only if you're going the academia route. The level of theory you get in a BFA program is far more in-depth than what you'd get at a trade school. Certain types of skills in the business (namely screenwriting) actually benefit from the school setting. Beyond that, the only thing a BFA has over a trade school is the networking. The actual film production skills can definitely be learned at a trade school, and chances are you'll actually get to touch film equipment in a trade school a lot quicker and more frequently than a 4-year student would.

I think you meant best boy grips as opposed to gaffers, if you're a gaffer on bigger productions you make bank and you're the lead man of that G&E department. Even best boy grips can make decent money depending on the region, in the Bay Area the going rate for best boy grips on commercials is $600-650/day. If you work 15 jobs a month that's $9,000 a month or roughly six figures before taxes right there.



Slow your roll playa, STEM ain't the only way to make six figures. It might be one of the more straightforward ways, but there's many roads to do that if that's your definition of success.

Now, for those whose only plan/vision to making six figures is going to school and getting a degree, breh is 100% right, skip the arts degree and do STEM. If you know how to network and how to invest in yourself whether you're in school or not, the playing field is a little wider, but you still need to be smart about where you spend your tuition money and how much.

The screenwriting should or could be an aspect of another liberal arts degree that might be a little more marketable; English or Journalism for instance.

Yeah, I just through some roles out there. I almost majored in film. Switched up to communications/broadcasting. So damn fortunate that I did...

 

[NatiboyB]

I feel no pity for them or sympathy…

 

[Majestyx]

Filmmaking should be a trade school program. Shouldn't be a degree at these top tier schools paying top tier tuition and come out making 40-50k a year.

I get that 800 people applied for a program that had 72 spots and self accountability is definitely an issue, but most of those 72 spots are barely going to go on to be any more than production assistants and gaffers. It's a system that's going to collapse on itself. Especially as you really don't need to go to school to be a filmmaker.

art degrees should be trade school programs. as a nig with an art degree, every young person i meet that wants to go to school for art i go tell they parents "DONT LET THEM DO THAT shyt" unless they get a scholarship. i've made it my lifes mission not to let young people get bamboozled., specifically black ones. I'm not against them doing art, just not going to a school trying to charge you 10k a year or WAY more to get a degree in some shyt that no job related to art ever asks about unless you want to be a teacher in higher education. film, graphic design, photo, concept arts(tv, movie, animation, games) none of that shyt needs a degree

 

[Wild self]

The land of opportunity
Federal government keeps gassing up this fukk shyt
These schools know they get paid regardless so they just set their tuition as high as they feel like

What happens when everybody gets "real degrees" and the value of a compsci or engineering degree is lowered
It doesn't cost schools in the richest country in the world tens of thousands of dollars to educate students
Think rationally and stop making excuses for your corrupt and incompetent government

These STEM majors dont know. They greedy and never use their knowledge on building infrastructure or anything that helps the general population. Plus with lack of regulations and worker unions/worker rights, wages will plummet.

But these posters are too greedy for their own,good.

 

[Vandelay]

art degrees should be trade school programs. as a nig with an art degree, every young person i meet that wants to go to school for art i go tell they parents "DONT LET THEM DO THAT shyt" unless they get a scholarship. i've made it my lifes mission not to let young people get bamboozled., specifically black ones. I'm not against them doing art, just not going to a school trying to charge you 10k a year or WAY more to get a degree in some shyt that no job related to art ever asks about unless you want to be a teacher in higher education. film, graphic design, photo, concept arts(tv, movie, animation, games) none of that shyt needs a degree

Definitely agree. I believe arts are important, but slapping the same tuition as an electrical engineering, data analytics, or fluid dynamics degree at best is disingenuous and at worst setting up a system that's inevitably going to fall apart. We all can't be artists...and to take a mini mortgage out to do something that will never give you a return on your investment is fukked up.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Nobody told them to get that degree

no accountability.

you goto Columbia, so you should have SOME fukkin booksmarts.

Just sounds like sour grapes of getting fleeced on your own merit.

College is an INVESTMENT. And like any other investment, it can go left as well if you don't research your shyt and choose wisely.

 

[pickles]

Any kind of liberal arts degree should be close to free.

If my child wanted to go to NYU for a fukken BFA or MFA. I would hit them with and the

I would not pay for that shyt.

I would also inside.

 

[Majestyx]

Definitely agree. I believe arts are important, but slapping the same tuition as an electrical engineering, data analytics, or fluid dynamics degree at best is disingenuous and at worst setting up a system that's inevitably going to fall apart. We all can't be artists...and to take a mini mortgage out to do something that will never give you a return on your investment is fukked up.

super important. everything you see has to be drawn and conceptualized visually. but you dont need a degree to learn that shyt, you just need TIME.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Learn a trade...or two.