4 University of Idaho college students killed in "worst crime we've ever seen". No suspects, no leads

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I think the killer slashed their throats to kill them, fought the last girl, killed her, then went back to mangle the bodies. Or he slit their throats so they couldn’t scream, and make noise, then mangled each one. It would take some time to kill them, without the others waking up. And I think he was already in the house.
 

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My first thought was the killer was mad the girl and guy were a couple so decided to kill them but then why kill the other two girls but not the two on the bottom floor? The theory the killer didn't know the guy was in the house is maybe more plausible then
 

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Damn they really don't know anything at all. This thing about to go cold. Killer only getting caught if he hits again.

The forensics not gonna help They lived in a party house that had 50 people over every week and the police didn't lock the crime scene down​

this detective went in on them​



Idaho police ripped for handling of murders after 10 days with no suspect: 'I give it an F'​

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Police have named the four victims of an apparent quadruple homicide at the University of Idaho as Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle and Kaylee GonCalves.

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MOSCOW, Idaho – Experienced homicide investigators are voicing concerns that initial crime scene management was lacking in the quadruple stabbings of a group of University of Idaho students earlier this month – especially after 10 days have passed without a suspect since the savage slayings and classmates warn the "party house" the victims lived in could contain large amounts of unrelated DNA.

For their part, Moscow police have invited help from dozens of state police members and more than 40 FBI personnel.


Goncalves and Mogen were last seen at the Corner Club – a dive bar popular with the college crowd. It's friendly, cozy and packed with sports on TV, a few icy steps below street level and warm inside.

One fellow University of Idaho student, who said he knew the victims, described their off-campus rental as a "party house."

"It's the heart of Greek life on campus," he told Fox News Digital Wednesday, and sees capacity crowds on most Fridays and Saturdays.

But the victims also lived in what he described as "a party house," which he worried could complicate forensic testing.

"There’s DNA everywhere," he said.

According to Joseph Giacalone, an adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York and a retired NYPD sergeant, there could be a huge amount of unrelated DNA in the house.

"If you had to use Luminol and a blue light in there, it probably looks like a Jackson Pollock painting," he told Fox News Digital.


Luminol is a chemical that reacts with and reveals even small traces of the presence of blood.

"They could have had a party last week between 40, 50 people, so hair evidence, all that stuff becomes very suspect," he said. "Because of the dynamics of what you're dealing with here, you have to rely on phone records, internet records and surveillance video to try to piece this thing together."

Still, some DNA evidence could help the investigation, he said, including blood that doesn't belong to the four victims and DNA left under their fingernails or through other defensive injuries.

"You hope that the victims' hands were all bagged at the time before the bodies were moved out of the house," he said. "That's the way it should have been done, especially when you have a violent attack with a knife – the chances of defensive wounds, defensive strikes at the perpetrator, are pretty good."

That is, if the suspect's DNA is in a law enforcement database.

"They honed in on the crime scene, hoping they get a hit on DNA," former Miami-Dade County homicide detective Pat Diaz told Fox News Digital. "Well, what happens if this guy's not in the system? What happens is this guy's a psycho that's never been caught?"

Police could have locked down the entire neighborhood before students went home for Thanksgiving break, he said.

"You should have a thousand interviews," he said. "You should have been talking to everybody that even walked in, every ant that walked that street, should have their name."

Both experts said the early police response was concerning – it was too small, too many people came and went and cellphone data should have been an early priority.

"The crime scene here, the lack of protocol, the defense attorney is going to have a field day with this," Giacalone said. "I would give it an F."

There was no gatekeeper securing the scene, he said – someone keeping track of who came and went. A comprehensive list could help investigators sort through evidence inadvertently contaminated by officers just by being present.

State police forensics look for clues in Moscow, Idaho on Monday, November 21, 2022. Four University of Idaho students who were slain on November 13 in this house.

State police forensics look for clues in Moscow, Idaho on Monday, November 21, 2022. Four University of Idaho students who were slain on November 13 in this house. (Derek Shook for Fox News Digital)
There was no gatekeeper securing the scene, he said – someone keeping track of who came and went. A comprehensive list could help investigators sort through evidence inadvertently contaminated by officers just by being present.

"That's called evidence dynamics, where you don't do it on purpose, but you're going to contaminate the crime scene just by entering it," he said. "You try to do as minimal as possible, but the idea is to get those [samples] from people to make sure that some of the cops that were at the scene weren't the donors. But if you don't have a list of who was there, this creates a huge problem."

IDAHO COLLEGE MURDERS: EXPERTS LEFT 'STUNNED' BY MISSTEPS IN INVESTIGATION

He also took issue with how close police parked to the house and how many people went in and out without wearing sanitized Tyvek suits.

"The first day, you see all the cars public right in front of the house and the door, within three feet of the front door, that should never happen," he said.

No suspects, no motive​

Diaz also said he worried police took too long to canvas the surrounding area and should have a comprehensive list by now of everyone who was nearby on the morning of the murders.

"This was not random," he told Fox News Digital. "I think they were targeted. I think they saw them out, or they’ve seen them around."


A thorough examination of the surrounding area is important because the suspect could have dropped blood or other evidence on his way out, Diaz said.

"Remember the Virginia Tech murder case?," he said. "When he did the murder, he came down the stairs. There was a blood trail down the stairs, out the doorway."

More key evidence will come from pinging surrounding phone towers, he said, if it hasn't been collected already


Both experts said they believed the attack was targeted.

"Stabbing is an up close and personal kind of thing," Giacalone said. "It's violent, especially when you deal with overkill. This is why I hang my hat on that this is a perpetrator who knows the victim."

He also suggested there could have been more than one assailant.

What police are revealing​

Investigators have slowed their release of new information on the case as it drags on without a publicly identified suspect.

To Giacalone, that's an improvement over earlier overshares from the coroner – but he's worried local investigators may have brought in help from the state and FBI a little too late. There's a "golden hour," the hour after the bodies are discovered, that is most crucial for investigators because the suspect is the closest to the scene at that time.

University of Idaho victims Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves were close friends.

University of Idaho victims Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves were close friends. (Instagram/ @kayleegoncalves)
"The police department always knows a lot more about what's going on than they let on," he said. "But you've got to remember, too, this is a place where there's not a whole lot of homicide that happens. And you kind of get a little worried about that when you have a small department trying to handle this huge case

"The police department always knows a lot more about what's going on than they let on," he said. "But you've got to remember, too, this is a place where there's not a whole lot of homicide that happens. And you kind of get a little worried about that when you have a small department trying to handle this huge case."
 

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I think the killer slashed their throats to kill them, fought the last girl, killed her, then went back to mangle the bodies. Or he slit their throats so they couldn’t scream, and make noise, then mangled each one. It would take some time to kill them, without the others waking up. And I think he was already in the house.
This is another thing I don’t understand. If they were bleeding/gutted that badly, how did the roommates think they were unconscious when they found them?

Someone not breathing looks a lot differ than a bloody crime scene with blood everywhere? Calling another classmate seems odd.
 

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Going on almost two weeks with nothing so far.

I read that it hasn’t been a murder there in 7 years so a quadruple homicide is something local LE probably wasn’t prepared for. The initial response only made things worse.

I also saw on Reddit that the family of one of the victims said that the two surviving roommates haven’t spoken to them.

The roommate aspect is weird because they called other people first before calling 911 for an “unconscious person” but the crime scene was described as gruesome and one of the worst they’ve seen with blood everywhere.

If the crime scene was as bad as described, you would know they were dead and not unconscious.

A strange case all around. Man, can you imagine if this went cold? That would be some true crime unsolved mystery legend shyt.
 
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The surviving two roommates are females. I'd be really surprised if a female was able to silently and effectively stab 4 people to death like this.
Yeah we gotta rule out women, simply due to the fact that it takes immense amount of force to stab several people to death, one of them being a 6'3 athlete.

The killer is definitely, a man who is well built and in shape (ie has the stamina for hunting and long hikes), I would even rule out skinny, and unfit men.
 
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Police contaminated the place

Honestly, this is irrational but I have a feeling that the police know who did it, but it is a son of a powerful member in the community (maybe part of christ church since they own everything in moscow) and they are dragging their feet.

Something just is not right here.
 
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Yup they say the dog must've been familiar with murderer since it didn't bark. But it was probably just retarded

lmao. The house was a party house so the killer has probably been around for parties and passed the sniff test. I Wish the dog could snitch like that crocodile black mirror episode.
 

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What drugs was in these kids system and who was their dealer maybe that's why one of the girls was calling someone 7 times maybe that's why the other roommate call other people because they was nervous about calling the cops.

This place is weird a 13yr old boy get killed raking his front yard and people assume he has to be up to something, "he named after a rapper," "he don't smile in his pics" but these white kids that's known for parting couldn't possibly be into some shady shyt.

 

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Honestly, this is irrational but I have a feeling that the police know who did it, but it is a son of a powerful member in the community (maybe part of christ church since they own everything in moscow) and they are dragging their feet.

Something just is not right here.


This could be true for the reasons you stated. I mean I know a lot of people who now think that the infamous serial killer Jack the Ripper was actually a member of the royal family...Prince Albert Victor. It perfectly fits why he wasn't ever caught.
 
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