Wade with no Shaq and no Lebron finishes his season in late April/early May guaranteed. But tell me how much of a winner and leader he is.
But but his numbers!!
But but his numbers!!
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Nash never made it out of his conference with these 7 of 12 greatest offenses
ogc163
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LMAO, who is the modern version of A.I? It would have to be someone who has an aesthetically pleasing game, very inefficient game, very selfish, mediocre playoff success, and consistently held to have sub-par teammates despite ample contrary evidence,hmmm...
Allen Iverson never had Shaq or Lebron. He's also 5 inches shorter so defense and rebounding don't really make sense.
DWade has a 15 win season under his belt, has only been out the 1st round as his team's best player twice (barely beat Charlottw this year), and has no durability.
He is not a better playmaker than Iverson, that's not really debatable to me. Besides throwing oops to Lebron, when have we ever described Wade as a playmaker? Iverson averaged damn near 7 assists for his career, and was averaging 8 assists when he was averaging 30 a night. With bums around him.
Iverson did more with less talent around him, less size, and more franchise turmoil than Wade ever did. Player to player, Iverson would cook Wade
Iverson had a DPOTY Mutumbo who was the only reason they got past the Bucks in 01. Wade outplayed Shaq in the playoffs and won the FMVP.
Iverson doesn't get passes because he's smaller than Wade. Rebounding and defense matter because there is two sides to the ball and Wade is clearly better in both of them.
Wade averaged almost 8 assists too, with less turnovers, and he did while playing far less minutes than Iverson.
I'll wait for you to post the season that Iverson was better than Wade's best.
30.2 PPG (49% shooting) / 7.5 AST (3.4 TOV) / 5 REB / 2.2 STL / 1.3 Blks in 38 minutes of play.
Find the season better than that and we can talk.
Edit: Iverson played almost half a quarter more than Wade and still wasn't able to score that much more and nowhere near his levels of efficiency. Wade scored just as much, on far less attempts, and with far more efficiency. He led his team to a ring his 3rd year in the league and tore up numerous top tier defenses in the way to that ring while outplaying Shaq.
Put Prime Wade on those 76ers and Wade embarrasses Ray Allen and doesn't shoot something like 35% when going against the Bucks.
Stay geek era is a strange, strange time. White guy with a bad back who got exposed every playoffs when it mattered and a shooting guard who can't shoot are better than Allen Iverson.
Sonny Corinthos
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We all knew AI was a chucker and inefficient but let's not act like those Philly teams without him wouldn't get more than 16-17 wins a year. They were built perfectly around him, play grind house D, get the boards, get AI the ball and get out the way.
That 01 team was beautiful to watch
That 01 team was beautiful to watch
He's 5'11. Wade is 6'4 and built. You cannot compare their rebounding and ability to guard people. If that's the case, Wade is one of the worst defenders at his position. Let's not forget he had a defensive lowlight mixtape before Harden.
Wade outplayed Shaq because Shaq literally told him to go get his because teams were damn near triple teaming him all playoffs.
The fact Iverson had to play way more minutes attest to the trash he had around him.
D Wade's best season ended up in a loss in the 1st round to the immortal Joe Johnson and Atlanta Hawks. How about that?
TrebleMan
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Very nice and all, but not too many players today would be dribbling the ball the way they are without AI's influence. AI pretty much fathered a lot of the more complex hesitation dribbles used today.
End of the day Lebron who's one of the most analytic-friendly, high BBIQ players in NBA history said AI was the best pound for pound player of all-time. His opinion > pure stat buffs'.
End of the day Lebron who's one of the most analytic-friendly, high BBIQ players in NBA history said AI was the best pound for pound player of all-time. His opinion > pure stat buffs'.
Prime Nash was dealing with the fukking Duncan led Spurs in the WCF while Iverson had to contend with Reggie Miller led Pacers and barely squeaking by the Allen led bucks.
Put those Iverson teams in the West, does he make it out of that conference?
Put those Suns in the East, do they make it past the fukking Bucks, Raptors, and Pacers?
Originalgangsta317
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Don't think he a top 10 player of all time.
But he's a for sure top 5 SG of all time.
And I mean if you dig enough you can find hella flaws on many players.
But he's a for sure top 5 SG of all time.
And I mean if you dig enough you can find hella flaws on many players.
Your point?
Iverson made it out the trash eastern conference shooting 34% from the field and getting outplayed Ray Allen. Didn't even lead in his team in gamescore in that round while chucking his brains out.
J-MIL
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Wade is one of the best shot-clicking guards of all time, was an elite defender in his prime, and is much better than Iverson. DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING MATTER. Wade's all-around impact on the court is much higher than Iverson even though you trying to do everything you can to act like it can't be compared.
Iverson doesn't get a pass because he's smaller than Wade. That's fukking moronic. You gonna argue that Isaiah Thomas or Nash is better than Magic because they're smaller do you can't include things like defense and rebounding due to size difference?
Wade was tearing up top tier defenses and he was getting swarmed during his ring. No one who watched those playoffs Could think that he was less impactful than Shaq.
Iverson played more minutes but barely averaged more assists, averaged more turnovers, and a couple more points on way lower efficiency while being a worse rebounder and defender.
Wade already got a ring so who cares? You act like Iverson would have taken that 08-09 Heat team anywhere even though he's not as good as Wade.
Again, post the statistical season that Iverson that is an all-around better season than Wade.
Wade scores slightly less, on higher efficiency, while averaging just as many assists (Iverson has one season with more assists than Wade's best), more rebounds, and is a better defender while playing almost half a quarter less than Iverson.
Better all-around stats, better efficiency, similar PPG, and he did it in far less minutes. I'll wait.
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