I can't get jiggy with this at all but I can see how an argument can be made based on the rings, that's about it for me though
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Sure, he is a GOAT pound for pound player. But in terms of his actual impact on the court, it's not at the level of a Durant or Wade.
Isaiah Thomas is among the best scorers in the NBA, pound for pound, but he's still not better than Durant, Westbrook, Lebron, Curry, etc.
Not really. Nash played against much better teams than AI did. Those Spurs would have swept the teams that AI struggled with in the ECF
Duncan wasn't the best player but those Spurs were always a top 3 defense when they knocked out Nash.
Duncan (06-07) was averaging 20/10 on 54% shooting while anchoring the 2nd best defense in the league while Parker was averaging 18.6 on 52% those playoffs.
Next year, Duncan averaged 20/10 again and Parker averaged 22/6 but Duncan was still anchoring a Top 3 defense and Parker was in charge of a top 15 offense.
So again, Iverson would have gotten fukking washed against those same teams that beat Nash. Dude was shooting in the 30% FG AGAINST some of the worst defenses in the league during the playoffs.
Those Bucks that put the clamps on Iverson were one of the bottom ten defensive teams in the league yet your ass gonna sit here and act like Nash wasn't dealing with much better teams in the playoffs than Iverson did?
Get real, nikka
DIMES
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Melo was #1He played with Melo
Go look at their best playoff numbers and honestly tell me Iverson looks better than Wade.
Look at their runs, look at their all around stats, and tell me that you see Iverson is better than Wade.
problem is, these critics don't watch games.
and the ones that do, never played so they really don't know what theyre watching.
wade was only better than Iverson at rebounding & defending.
and that's only because Iverson is small.
I mean there are the numbers
the pistons were washed, and they were playing struggle-ball on offense. that's why they made the trade.
Iverson barely even played with the pistons.
the media just used Iverson as a fall-guy, and they also used that situation to run Iverson out of the league, all while ignoring the toxic situation still going down in Detroit that continued thru the next few seasons.
lol @ these dudes thinking jackin ass Dwayne wade is a winner & leader.
you can tell who knows basketball on here and who doesn't.
steve nash was a system player. that's why he doesn't get the same respect from players that he gets from the media. because players know better.
and he really wasn't even the best player on the team.
put the suns in the east and they still don't get to the finals.
put steve nash on the sixers and they instantly have one of the worst records in the league.
Nash ran elite offenses while AI was all about his numbers.
The Suns were great because of Nash. AI on the other hand went out in the first round twice despite having Melo, K Mart & Camby.
nikka got easily outplayed by Ray Allen, Vince Carter & Reggie Miller in that 2001 Finals run while shooting in the low 40's in every single round but we're supposed to give him a pass because he was short, had an aesthetically pleasing game & stepped over Ty Lue?
Is that what y'all nikkas are really saying?
These are probably the same posters that were calling Derozan & Lowry bums throughout last season's playoffs too.
Volume scoring should not be taken seriously if you're TS% is below 55%. I mean that's just pathetic.
I come back and youre still basing your opinions off of stats with no perspective. youre no different than the guy on the twitter.
of course Iverson was gonna get outplayed by those guards in the playoffs. you should've knew that, going into the games. that sixers offense only had Iverson. while those other teams had options and could spread the ball around. the fact that ray allen & them still failed to get past the sixers, is a knock on THEM breh.
nash ran an elite system. that's what you mean to say. because whenever they slowed-down the system, nash played like chit. he got exposed numerous times.
derozan & lowry aren't bums, but Toronto needs a better #1 option if they expect to be a postseason threat, especially with the east getting stronger.
Ah yes and AI thread which means we are guaranteed the following:
fukk stats, only white geeks care about that (unless they support my stance)
Bu...bu...but AI never had help aside from a DPOY, 6th MOY, Melo and other talented players in DEN, the core of a squad that had dominated the east for 6 years in DET, and Stackhouse. The fact that he had issues fitting in with other talented players is immaterial.
He carried a squad to the Finals all by himself because 6MOY, DPOY, and COY don't count and it doesn't matter that he never came close to "carrying" any other team anywhere near as far. There is no way that was just one lucky year.
Bu...bu...but he was only 6 feet which is taller than the likes of Spud and Muggsy and my nikka Terrell Brandon among others that we rarely if ever talk about and certainly don't elevate because of their height.
One day cats will understand the the amount of love you have for a player has nothing to do with how good they are/were....probably not.
lol.
that Detroit team was already washed & toxic before Iverson even got there. and he barely even played for them.
Stackhouse? lol. you mean when the sixers had a couple of 21 year old guards who had beef with each other?
that Denver team won a lot of games. they just had bad draws in the playoffs. same team that knocked Iverson's nuggets out, is the same team that knocked out Chauncey's nuggets - who only won a few more games in the regular season...........ehh these are really melo's teams but yall know what I'm saying.
why are yall so hell bent on comparing Iverson to people like spud, muggsy, nate rob & Terrell Brandon? yall sound silly. those arguments are just as bad as the "people only like Iverson because hes thugged out" arguments. LOL. gotta love the coli.
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I mean their stat lines show it as well.
As I said earlier tho.
Mike
Kobe
West
Wade
Iverson
Top 5 SG's of all time.
O.iatlhawksfan
Devoted Joel Embiid hater
fukk that dude. What kind of loser wakes up and says to himself 
feel like devaluing a legend today
feel like devaluing a legend todaythis Billups chit is funny.
he got traded because the pistons needed scoring. they were playing struggle ball for a while on offense. it was really a wrap for them when they got knocked out by the cavs in '07. people act like they were in championship form when they did the trade at the top of the '09 season. those days were long gone. and it ended up being a similar problem in Denver, which nobody likes to talk about either.
and billups' played on a very different nuggets team than Iverson, and only won a few more regular season games. the west was just weaker, so they got a better draw in the playoffs and went thru 2 easy teams in the 1st couple rounds.
and people don't bring up how the following season, melo was already tired of having to carry the offense. and the nuggets made sure they got rid of Billups when they traded melo.
he got traded because the pistons needed scoring. they were playing struggle ball for a while on offense. it was really a wrap for them when they got knocked out by the cavs in '07. people act like they were in championship form when they did the trade at the top of the '09 season. those days were long gone. and it ended up being a similar problem in Denver, which nobody likes to talk about either.
and billups' played on a very different nuggets team than Iverson, and only won a few more regular season games. the west was just weaker, so they got a better draw in the playoffs and went thru 2 easy teams in the 1st couple rounds.
and people don't bring up how the following season, melo was already tired of having to carry the offense. and the nuggets made sure they got rid of Billups when they traded melo.
The playoff numbers don't mean much without context. Iverson was surrounded by trash, he led literally the worst team to ever play in the NBA finals. D Wade had prime Shaq, had a 15 win season, then kept getting knocked out the first round with a talented team. Then he played with Lebron.
If Iverson played with Shaq his percentages would look a lot better.
Iverson led the league in steals, passing lane or not that's still defense. Wade never did that. Blocking shots as a 2 guard because you're leaving your man to go help or getting blown by and have to chase them down is overrated. Wade is famous for getting burned on back door cuts Bc he's looking to leave his guy and block a shot.
Eye test tells me Iverson night and night out was a more dominant player and dynamic player
Dudes think nash is better than iverson 
Yall boys are terrible
Yall boys are terrible
I gotta replace DWade with T-Mac but that's my top 5. T-Mac went up against MJ, Kobe, Reggie, AI, Prime Ray, Prime Rip, etc. and dominated the league, he just didn't have the help to get to the next level.
D Wade caught those guys at the tail end of their careers and the 2-guard position is just now coming back into being a top flight position
Spin it how you wish, there is no excuse for Detroit going from top 2 seed for 7 years straight to first round fodder and Denver suddenly becoming a top 3 seed and going to to the CF.
You can't cry about talent AND make excuses for not getting along with talented players.
AI and Melo shoulda been running the west with those role players they had around them, if they are what they have been purported to be that is.
Who is ya'll? I have never seen that comparison before. People usually wanna compare him to Kobe and Wade and players of that ilk. That said, I wasn't comparing him to them, I was comparing the pleas and extra points that they receive. It's basketball, taller players have an advantage
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The God Poster
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Gawd trumps allNash ran elite offenses while AI was all about his numbers.
The Suns were great because of Nash. AI on the other hand went out in the first round twice despite having Melo, K Mart & Camby.
He played with Melo
I was talking about in Philly
malbaker86
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fukk outta here bruh. When was he NOT the best player on the Spurs during a championship run outside of the 2014 title and even that's debatable
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