A comment on the election being about racism

[Type Username Here]

If you think Trump somehow magically got racists to vote Republican that weren't going to in the first place, what the hell is your reasoning on why he ended up getting less votes than Romney, while subsequently performing better with minorities, while also gaining white voters who had no issue voting for the black candidate just 4 years prior?

Seriously, I am all ears. I'm curious to see the logic behind your arguments

 

[Trece]

Let me preface by saying that Trump has a history of racist and xenophobic words and actions. His campaign was riddled with dog whistle politics. I am not arguing against this. It isn't up to debate in my opinion.

But you are naive if you think that is why he won. It is about the middle class white worker in key states and Hillary being a shyt candidate. The same middle class workers that Obama carried TWICE in certain areas.

Facts of the matter:

1) Racists would have voted for any Republican ticket regardless. Do any of you believe otherwise?

2) Trump got LESS votes than Romney and might have an Electoral landslide because he went after the Rust belt workers who suffered the most from globalist trade policies.

3) As said before, Trump gained white Voters that went for Obama the last 2 times.

4) Clinton only got ~51% of the union vote.

5) Trump actually made gains on minority voting when compared to Romney. Minorities didn't show up for Clinton in the numbers she needed in several key urban areas.

This is basically right.. i was trying to gave this conversation with my homie today who was walking around heated as fukk..

People are going to analyze this in the next few years and come to this conclusion.. right now people are emotional and irrational as fukk..

But 60 million americans are not racist... this includes 28% of Hispanics 28% of asians and even 8% of blacks.

 

[714562]

Yeah, I'm not falling for the okie-dokie again.

For years, I was told to believe that the reason for Republican policies was not racism but supply side economics, fiscal conservatism, originalism, judicial restraint, etc.

Now I'm being told that it's really all about trade protectionism/manufacturing jobs/China.

It's about race, okay? It's all about race.

American conservatives will take whatever economic solution is en vogue and run with it, but racial insecurity is always the underlying motive.

 

[Type Username Here]

This is basically right.. i was trying to gave this conversation with my homie today who was walking around heated as fukk..

People are going to analyze this in the next few years and come to this conclusion.. right now people are emotional and irrational as fukk..

But 60 million americans are not racist... this includes 28% of Hispanics 28% of asians and even 8% of blacks.

Exactly. I'm not telling people not to be worried. Im not saying he isn't a racist. I'm not saying that it isn't dangerous that racists and white supremacists may feel empowered by his victory.

Im just trying to objectively look at the data and numbers and I don't see how pure white nationalist racism movement put him over the top in places Obama carried easily 4 years ago.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Yeah, I'm not falling for the okie-dokie again.

For years, I was told to believe that the reason for Republican policies was not racism but supply side economics, fiscal conservatism, originalism, judicial restraint, etc.

Now I'm being told that it's really all about trade protectionism/manufacturing jobs/China.

It's about race, okay? It's all about race.

American conservatives will take whatever economic solution is en vogue and run with it, but racial insecurity is always the underlying motive.

Aren't you a conservative?

 

[714562]

Aren't you a conservative?

I was a registered Republican.

I don't think I'll be voting for a Republican again anytime soon.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

I'm sorry, but no. The reason Trump won was 'cism. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.


It's true that racists would be likely to vote Republican anyway, but Trump got racists out that don't usually vote. The reason I can say this is because there's pretty much no other reason to vote Trump. It's not like people were voting for Trump because of his policy initiatives or political experience. There's no way you're convincing me that his excellent and well thought out trade policy was his main draw.


And him doing slightly better with minorities than Romney isn't say much considering how abysmal Romney's numbers were.

The facts state that this all wrong though. Why would you ignore the facts?

If you think voting for Trump makes you a racist then you're going to have to explain why a lot of those same racists voted for Obama prior.

 

[Type Username Here]

Yeah, I'm not falling for the okie-dokie again.

For years, I was told to believe that the reason for Republican policies was not racism but supply side economics, fiscal conservatism, originalism, judicial restraint, etc.

Now I'm being told that it's really all about trade protectionism/manufacturing jobs/China.

It's about race, okay? It's all about race.

American conservatives will take whatever economic solution is en vogue and run with it, but racial insecurity is always the underlying motive.

Are you saying that these people who were most likely to fall victim to racial insecurities weren't likely Republican voters anyway? You're saying Trump changed their mind?

 

[acri1]

The facts state that this all wrong though. Why would you ignore the facts?

If you think voting for Trump makes you a racist then you're going to have to explain why a lot of those same racists voted for Obama prior.

What facts are these? Voting for Obama doesn't preclude someone from being a racist, and to be honest you haven't actually proven that many people flipped from Obama to Trump.

And my question still stands. If not 'cism, then what? I live in Michigan, I watched all the debates and follow politics and I'm just not seeing this great economic message he has that's inspiring (coincidentally, mostly white) voters to this extent.

 

[714562]

Are you saying that these people who were most likely to fall victim to racial insecurities weren't likely Republican voters anyway? You're saying Trump changed their mind?

He didn't "change their mind" but he energized them and turned out their vote.

A low aggregate turnout doesn't mean that racists didn't turn out. It means fence-sitters said "fukk the negativity" and stayed home.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

What facts are these? Voting for Obama doesn't preclude someone from being a racist, and to be honest you haven't actually proven that many people flipped from Obama to Trump.

And my question still stands. If not 'cism, then what? I live in Michigan, I watched all the debates and follow politics and I'm just not seeing this great economic message he has that's inspiring (coincidentally, mostly white) voters to this extent.

If you're not seeing the message then I'm sorry I don't know what to tell you.

For me the message was loud and clear, they wanted change.

 

[DonKnock]

If you think Trump somehow magically got racists to vote Republican that weren't going to in the first place, what the hell is your reasoning on why he ended up getting less votes than Romney, while subsequently performing better with minorities, while also gaining white voters who had no issue voting for the black candidate just 4 years prior?

Seriously, I am all ears. I'm curious to see the logic behind your arguments

There were people that voted Romney that didn't vote in this election. Trump's gains in racists were offset by Romney voters that stayed home

 

[Type Username Here]

What facts are these? Voting for Obama doesn't preclude someone from being a racist, and to be honest you haven't actually proven that many people flipped from Obama to Trump.

And my question still stands. If not 'cism, then what? I live in Michigan, I watched all the debates and follow politics and I'm just not seeing this great economic message he has that's inspiring (coincidentally, mostly white) voters to this extent.

It was the same message that Bernie Sanders had that resonated with the same white workers in Michigan and Wisconsin.

 

[acri1]

If you're not seeing the message then I'm sorry I don't know what to tell you.

For me the message was loud and clear, they wanted change.

I really don't. I've never seen Trump espouse much of any economic policy outside of tax cuts and "I'm gonna make better deals".

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Honestly it just occurred to me that people are going to draw whatever conclusions they want so it doesn't matter. If you wanna believe that this is the 2nd coming of hitler then go ahead... the truth will reveal itself in time.