A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

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Jokers like this whose whole shtick is on some anti-elitist tip can understand the negative long term consequences of men not being in universities, and yet cat's on the coli still want to trot out the same tired arguments against going to college.
 
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You are answering a question with a question, you said he was full of shyt, I am curious as to why.

Let me be more clear... He has zero proof that young men are saying fukk academia.... if he is going off lower college enrollment as his gauge, then he is absolutely full of shyt
 

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Jokers like this whose whole shtick is on some anti-elitist tip can understand the negative long term consequences of men not being in universities, and yet cat's on the coli still want to trot out the same tired arguments against going to college.

Quit the respectability bullshyt.

I made it out of a fukked up ass school district, into a top 10 university, graduated in 4 years, and was the only person in my ENTIRE FAMILY to attend college.

I got nothing out of it. It was a scam. Graduating from a top 10 university in the entire world got me nothing but hundreds of rejection emails.

And now I can’t even go back to college for a second degree without permanently putting myself into lifelong debt because financial aid only lasts 4 years.

Waste of time and money.
 

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Quit the respectability bullshyt.

I made it out of a fukked up ass school district, into a top 10 university, graduated in 4 years, and was the only person in my ENTIRE FAMILY to attend college.

I got nothing out of it. It was a scam. Graduating from a top 10 university in the entire world got me nothing but hundreds of rejection emails.

And now I can’t even go back to college for a second degree without permanently putting myself into lifelong debt because financial aid only lasts 4 years.

Waste of time and money.

WTF are you talking about regarding resprctabilty, that has nothing to do with what I posted.
 

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WTF are you talking about regarding resprctabilty, that has nothing to do with what I posted.
If men, especially poor and working-class Black men "tap out" then folks shouldn't be surprised when race and class-based disparities increase. As the chart in the article shows upper middle class young white and Asian men are remaining in the game. And so, if you advocating tapping out, don't then turn around and complain about the lack of Black faces when you look at the racial make up of management.

You’ve been in here posting the same bullshyt. The “game” isn’t set up for black men to win. You act as if black men willingly not choosing to attend universities will increase class disparities. As if it all falls on personal responsibility and not systemic racism on every level. As if having a fancy degree is the solution to the problems in our communities.

We’ve had a 400+ year head start, with your logic, we should be owning everything in this damn country. College is not the answer - fixing systemic racism is.

This is a natural consequence of a fukked up system. We’ve been playing “catch up” all this time and have nothing to show for it,
 

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What does this mean for society? Do roles get reversed in relationships? Do people start getting it the ski-mask way? What we looking at brehs?
 

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What does this mean for society? Do roles get reversed in relationships? Do people start getting it the ski-mask way? What we looking at brehs?

Full blown anarchy and domestic terrorism

They need to slash the tuition prices at least 70% in order to correct this. Or else more schools getting shot up.
 

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You’ve been in here posting the same bullshyt. The “game” isn’t set up for black men to win. You act as if black men willingly not choosing to attend universities will increase class disparities. As if it all falls on personal responsibility and not systemic racism on every level. As if having a fancy degree is the solution to the problems in our communities.

We’ve had a 400+ year head start, with your logic, we should be owning everything in this damn country. College is not the answer - fixing systemic racism is.

1. Black men having decreased enrollment in college will increase class disparities because most high paying careers, management positions, and influential government roles will still require a college degree along with the social networks that are attached to the nepotism that is prevalent in those spaces. I never stated nor implied that it "all falls on personal responsiblity" that is a strawman argument you seemingly have constructed because it's easier argument to engage with than what I actually wrote.

Further, I never denied the role of systemic racism in the outcomes for Black people, but the threads topic and the context of my post is specifically in regards to the role not attending college has on Black men. I can think that systematic racism along with not attending college will have negative consequences for Black men, acknowledging one element doesn't necessarily trivialize or dismiss another element.

2. I never stated nor implied that having a fancy degree would solve all of our problems, this is once again another form of a strawman argument.

To clarify I think that in general in a society that values college degreea and constructs barriers to entry based on degrees, it is better for Black men to have them than not have them. That is not to imply that an increase in Black men with college degrees will solve all problems, I would never come close to making such an absolute argument, contrary to how you've presented my stance.
 

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Usually when men don't like shyt they start violent revolutions.


I'd like to hear from the coli anthropologist though.

Why You think that school shootings are skyrocketing in (white) schools? Cause even young white men know about the student loan crisis will stillbirth'd their financial future before their lives truly begin.

Tuition prices are too high, but too many people-even in TLR and HL-defend the current dysfunctional status quo of broke college grads and underpaid educated people, even in high paying professions.
 

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Educational decline among males puts institution of marriage at risk

”Men are abandoning higher education in such numbers that they now trail female college students by record levels.” So declares the opening sentence of a Wall Street Journal piece that is creating quite the buzz. Here are some of the eye-popping statistics: Women now account for 59.5% of college students in the United States. They also earn 58.5% of master’s degrees and 52.9% of Ph.D.s. Women have been earning the majority of doctorates for 13 straight years. In the 2020-21 academic year, a million more women than men applied to college.

You can be forgiven if you find these numbers startling. The popular press focuses on the challenges women face, not on their achievements. We are constantly warned about silencing girls’ voices, discrimination against female athletes, glass ceilings, pay gaps, “mansplaining” and the paucity of women in the top ranks of corporate America. There are innumerable programs, scholarships and inducements to increase the share of girls and women who study STEM subjects (the only fields where men continue to earn more Ph.D.s than women). And the assumption persists that it’s a man’s world. But that’s debatable. While it’s true that men still outnumber women among law firm partners, CEOs and college presidents, that may well be an artifact of age. The rising cohort is lopsidedly female, and the ranks of women managers and partners have been expanding accordingly. Top leadership will likely follow eventually (although it should be noted that women more frequently than men forgo the corner office in order to balance family and career — a subject I discuss in my 2018 book “Sex Matters.”)

Seventy percent of high school valedictorians are girls. They make up such a disproportionate share of qualified college applicants that admissions committees have been practicing sub rosa affirmative action for males for many years. “Is there a thumb on the scale for boys? Absolutely,” Jennifer Delahunty, a college-enrollment consultant who previously led the admissions offices at Kenyon College in Gambier, Ohio, and Lewis & Clark College in Portland, Oregon, told The Wall Street Journal. “The question is, is that right or wrong?” There is no simple answer to that question. Colleges are admitting men with lower grades and scores, but it’s not because they’re attempting to prop up a flagging patriarchy. No, the reality is that women are less likely to enroll in a college with a 60/40 ratio of women to men than one that’s more evenly balanced.

Some might note this female preeminence and shout hurrah for feminism. But I’d keep the champagne corked, because, let’s face it, women like to marry men who are their equals or superiors in education and income, and if this trend of women vastly outperforming men in education continues, a fair proportion of women are not going to be able to find compatible men. I can hear the scoffing already. How Victorian! As if women need to worry about going to college to get their “MRS” degree!

That, obviously, is not the point. Marriage remains a life goal of most people. In a 2013 Gallup survey of American adults, only 5% of the respondents said they had never been married and didn’t want to marry someday. (For young adults aged 18 to 34, that figure was slightly higher: 9%.) Americans are right to want marriage, which is associated with greater happiness, health and wealth for adults and with pretty much every advantage you can think of for children. Just one example: 75% of students who graduate from highly selective colleges were raised by two married parents.

This brings us to a bit of social science research that deserves a lot more attention. It’s not news that marriage has been in decline for decades. In 1960, about 5% of births were to unmarried women. Today, it’s 40%. It is well established that children raised in single-parent families are far more likely to live in poverty, perform poorly in school and become vulnerable to life-derailing mistakes like getting into trouble with the law or dropping out of high school. But here’s the part that deserves more study: It seems that growing up in a single-parent home is not as damaging to girls as it is to boys. Comparing Florida brothers and sisters who grew up in single-parent families, an MIT study found that “growing up in a single-parent home appears to significantly decrease the probability of college attendance for boys, yet has no similar effect for girls.” Boys raised without fathers or father figures tend to be less ambitious and less hopeful than girls raised without fathers or father figures, and tend to get into more trouble at school.

There is much other research finding similar effects. Richard Reeves, co-director of the Brookings Center on Children and Families, has said that when it comes to thriving in less-than-ideal family settings, “girls may be more like dandelions, while boys may be more like orchids.” The gender gap that has emerged in educational attainment may be an effect of splintered families. Boys who grow up without the steadying influence of two parents struggle more than girls. So, hats off to the gals who are killing it in schools, but for both sexes to be their best and happiest, we need to revive the norm of marriage.

Educational decline among males puts institution of marriage at risk
 

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There are only certain college majors that result in well-paying jobs post graduation. This is the number one fact that seems to get hidden when discussing college for all races of men, but black especially. Plenty (I was one) of young men go into universities with no real plan, or reinforcement for one and end up either not graduating or switching majors. Having guidance and examples to follow make the chances of success much MUCH higher, but that is what the community lacks.

Like a lot of other things, its a cultural issue primarily, but the majority of majors in a university might as well be a scam. Yet if that fact was pushed on students, there'd be a major enrollment crisis and can't have any money leaving the pockets of the leaders. To add to that, many women are just there to secure themselves a simp that did choose the correct major, or they hope to chase cleats, so taking basket weaving doesn't change much for them.
 

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Who ever typed that post about having a plan along with college is spot on. College in and of itself is useless without research into your domain, direction, a network and most importantly resources to leverage.

Im one of those brehs who got a degree and only used it to commission (and get into IT on the militarys dime and time) so for me the degree itself was only a piece of the overall plan.

I will say that college helps build the whole person concept as well. My college and work experience made me a more resourceful, well read and pragmatic thinker and those skills have been my bread and butter in my 20s and 30s.
 
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