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A movement lead by faqs (and women) was always a fail
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This post is another example of why women can't lead. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of women have egos(insecurities) bigger than men. That's why women like you are so emotional quick to get catty-bytchy. The type of woman who will never admit to being wrong
You talk about me not reading while you completely ignore what I've said to push that bullshyt narrative in bold. I didn't say "I recommend violence" anywhere in my post. That's some shyt that you pulled from your ass. In fact, I made it a point to sat that I wasn't advocating for blacks to start randomly being violent with police/whites. My point is that violence can't be completely taken off of the table tho. You're hoing to have to defend yourself at some point to some extent. I wasn't saying that violence or self defense is the only answer I'm saying that it has to be part of the answer.
Economics and voting are only part of the solution. Blacks have always voted in blocks. Having an economy with no defense is no good either, look at Black Wall Street in Tulsa. They had an economy and whites just came and burned the shyt down. Obviously we wouldn't be able to create a military that would be able to go head up with the U.S. Military and that would'nt be the plan, but if we are ever going to maintain an economy we are going to need some form of defense. If the police are going to be allowed to kill us with impunity we are going to have to defend ourselves some kind of way.
My problem with your attitude is that you want to take physical self defense off of the table. I could never respect that kind of leadership.
What a disaster.
(I'm choosing to ignore your projection on ego, emotion and being wrong lol)
Listen, we can wax poetic about "living on your knees,and dying on your feet" and play the coulda-shoulda-woulda game about events that took place nearly 100 years ago at Black Wall Street, but it's probably more sound to account for context. Which is this: It's 2016 and police departments are militarized. They've become more dangerous since the WoD, and WoT. Black people tend to live in urban centers. No group of Americans has successfully mounted an armed resistance against municipal, state, or federal law enforcement in over 100 years, at least. Not the Panthers.
You claim you didn't recommend violence in your initial post to me. Let's fact check, shall we?
"Violent push back", as you call, is at best futile, and at worst will make things more volatile than they currently already are.
Logistically, there is no Black community that can take-on a police invasion. The police use SWAT teams just at the possibility of drugs in a home/neighbourhood, what level of force do you think they will use on organized, armed BLACK combatants? A level you can not defeat. A level that, after you've all been killed (and you will be killed), they can legitimize to America bc you would have constituted a terrorist organization.
Matter fact, let's use a case study to prove my point. Keep in mind these are whiteboys, who many Americans still believe were just exercising their constitutional rights. '93, Waco, a group called the Branch Davidians decides they're going to defend their community from an invasion from law enforcement, sent in to carry out a search for illegal firearms. They had women and children on the compound. They're in a standoff with law enforcement for weeks. The Branch Davidians start shooting. Guess the result??? 76 dead Davidians, including babies. Law enforcement, unscathed. If that's what happens to white, how worse off are you?
This worse off:
'78, Philly. Police move to carry out a legal eviction of a Black Nationalist commune, MOVE. Police shoot, they shoot, kill one officer. Nine members are sentenced to 100 years in prison, AND they get evicted anyway. '85, same group has been living peacefully elsewhere. Police keep fukking with them. They come in to carry out an arrest warrant. Women and children are on the compound. Cops let off 10, 000 rounds of ammo in 90 minutes, and then literally drop a bomb on 'em - in a residential area, no regard for life. Babies killed. No punishment for the officers. The mayor who okay'd the bombing doesn't even lose his job.
So, I say all that to say this.
We can defend ourselves by driving policy to our benefit, we can become a more responsible community and make behavioural changes, we can even use the influence of our cultural product to advocate for ourselves... but we should not use violence. It's unsustainable, it's futile, and it will only result in more black deaths.
You're proving my point. What you're saying right here is why generally speaking women aren't equipped to lead a community.
It's uncomfortable and little embarrassing, right? When point-by-point your argument is proved foolish and ineffective, by a member of the exact group you tried to disparage.
Not at all. I didn't even read most of your post I just skimmed. It's just like I said, the part of your post that I quoted illustrates my point perfectly. Feel free to keep running that psychology on yourself tho.
Skim this: Your recommendation of violence is foolish. It's foolish for all the reason and examples I've provided you. You were wrong. Develop a sustainable strategy, before you disparage our current, and only, line of defence based on empty claims on gender and sexuality.
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The ego lol
You're just commenting out of emotion. Your feelings are hurt by me saying that women generally aren't equipped to lead as if I'm saying that women are inferior, I'm not saying that tho. Men and women are complimentary to one another, it's not a competition.
You're talking from a bytchmade scary point of view which only makes sense because you're a woman. There's a reason that throughout history whenever one grpup of men conquered another group of men the women and children were usually spared. That's because women and children aren't seen as a threat. Women and children don't revolt they remain conquered. They go with whoever is in power and has control of the resources. Of course there are exceptions to that rule but I'm speaking in general.
I never recommended violence. I said that violence shouldn't be taken off of the table. I said that if police are going to be allowed to continue killing us with impunity then there is going to have to be some kind of violent push back against that which would be self defense. What good is having an economy if the police can just kill you and get away with it? How the fukk is anything you're talking about going to defend us from state sanctioned terrorism? The system is completely failing us and you're suggesting that we just work it a little harder while being more respectable. If the police are sanctioned to kill us then shyt needs to get more volatile because blacks are too gotdamn comfortable. shyt need to pop off because we aren't making any progress as it is. Again, fukk living on our knees begging our oppressor to stop killing us.
I've highlighted some of the logical inconsistencies in your post.
I'm not even going to ask for evidence to support your claims. We'll just show how even at face value, they're still not well reasoned.
One group of men conquers another group of men... and yet it is women and children that remain conquered? Read your own sentence. Obviously, by your own assertion both genders can be conquered.
Women go with whoever is in power, and men of a society do what? They also fall under whoever is in power.
You again recommend violence, with your own made-up term "violent push back", and act as if it can't be called out for still being a recommendation of violence.
The good of having a healthy Black economy despite police brutality is this: You live in a capitalist hyper-consumerist culture in which Black people's political power is impaired by our irresponsible financial behaviours. The political power it would take to drive policy in our favour, and be increasingly independent of the state, will not be achieved if we cannot even be a disciplined consumer class.
I am not advocating respectability politics. My concern is not how we perform in white gaze. But we do have some very irresponsible behaviors that are trending in our communities: fatherlessness, drug use and sales, gun crime, hyper-consumerism etc. We'd do well to address these issues.
Being radical and revolutionary isn't synonymous with being violent.
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It's usually the men who do the fighting. It's usually men leading any revolt attempts. That's my point.
Maybe you just know the difference between the words "recommendation" and "option". For the 3rd or 4th time, I haven't recommended violence I've said that it shouldn't be taken completely off of the table. We should never take a "we're never going to violently defend ourselves regardless of what happens" position. That's just cowardly.
No, we live in a society controlled by white supremacy. White supremacy trumps capitalism. This isn't our policy/law problem, it's a white supremacy. It's already technically against the law for cops to kill citizens. The problem is that white people control how the laws/policies are applied and they do it arbitrarily based on race.
Trust, I understand the importance of practicing group economics and establishing a black economy. I'm saying this you've got to be able and willing to protect yourself to some extent.
This part is just a deflection. Let's not cloud the issue. This is about you saying that violence should be taken off of the table which is something that I'll never agree with.
I do want to address something you said above tho. How do you address fatherless was while pushing a liberal left agenda at the same time? That's a contradiction. Feminism, the blurring of gender lines/roles, attack on patriarchy, and the push to normalize alternative sexual orientations all lead to more fatherlessness. Even on the BLM website they admit that their aim is to disrupt the nuclear family structure.
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I don't totally disagree with your premise, although it must be pointed out that 4 ATF members did die during the first day of the Raid at the Branch Davidians compound.
and 16 were badly injured...
They had more Ammo and guns than Law Enforcement did initially...