A Song of Ice & Fire by George R.R. Martin: Book Discussion Thread

[Diunx]

How can a man write so slow

He ain't writing shyt

 

[hex]

Watching him all giddy and flustered when he was around that actress who played Shae is when I gave up on Winds of Winter

Like I said, it's a wrap.

He was obviously successful before HBO came calling but once he got "Game Of Thrones" going and had beautiful women around him 24/7 it was over.

He probably threw his type writer out the window. Ain't typed nothing but text messages since 2011.

Fred.

 

[King_Kamala61]

He told y'all it's over 4 yrs ago and recently the last 4 months he said he won't finish the last two books..

HBO finished his story.

 

[Piff Perkins]

He ain't writing shyt

He's writing. The problem is he's constantly re-writing and running into ditches because he has too much material, too many characters, and too much lore building. IMO it's been clear for the last 12 years that he's most passionate about lore. Any chance he gets to make some Targaryen history he's gonna write a bunch of shyt in a short period of time. Hence why the Fire & Blood books were written so quickly. But when it's time to actually progress the current ASOIAF story? He can't. Not because he isn't writing but because every other POV character is getting bogged down in lore drops. He doesn't understand that he's run out of pages and has no more room for that.

I bet he has way more pages than can be printed. Enough to make a part 1/part 2 split. But I'd also bet that even if he split the book into two it wouldn't advance the story that much. Like out of the 1800+ pages he probably has written, has Dany gotten on a boat and left Essos? Probably not. Is Tyrion on his way back to Westeros? Probably not. He's gotta get this narrative rolling like it was during ASOS or he will never finish.

 

[daemonova]

He's writing. The problem is he's constantly re-writing and running into ditches because he has too much material, too many characters, and too much lore building. IMO it's been clear for the last 12 years that he's most passionate about lore. Any chance he gets to make some Targaryen history he's gonna write a bunch of shyt in a short period of time. Hence why the Fire & Blood book were written so quickly. But when it's time to actually progress the current ASOIAF story? He can't. Not because he isn't writing but because every other POV character is getting bogged down in lore drops. He doesn't understand that he's run out of pages and has no more room for that.

I bet he has way more pages than can be printed. Enough to make a part 1/part 2 split. But I'd also bet that even if he split the book into two it wouldn't advance the story that much. Like out of the 1800+ pages he probably has written, has Dany gotten on a boat and left Essos? Probably not. Is Tyrion on his way back to Westeros? Probably not. He's gotta get this narrative rolling like it was during ASOS or he will never finish.

he wrote one book unless *redacted*

its half of Targaryen history and it *redacted*

them delays killing ya boy

 

[daemonova]

He's writing. The problem is he's constantly re-writing and running into ditches because he has too much material, too many characters, and too much lore building. IMO it's been clear for the last 12 years that he's most passionate about lore. Any chance he gets to make some Targaryen history he's gonna write a bunch of shyt in a short period of time. Hence why the Fire & Blood books were written so quickly. But when it's time to actually progress the current ASOIAF story? He can't. Not because he isn't writing but because every other POV character is getting bogged down in lore drops. He doesn't understand that he's run out of pages and has no more room for that.

I bet he has way more pages than can be printed. Enough to make a part 1/part 2 split. But I'd also bet that even if he split the book into two it wouldn't advance the story that much. Like out of the 1800+ pages he probably has written, has Dany gotten on a boat and left Essos? Probably not. Is Tyrion on his way back to Westeros? Probably not. He's gotta get this narrative rolling like it was during ASOS or he will never finish.

you saw where Dany was.....

Drogon wounded and surrounded by Dothraki, that is where we left off

its already two parts

Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring

 

[Piff Perkins]

you saw where Dany was.....

Drogon wounded and surrounded by Dothraki, that is where we left off

its already two parts

Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring

I'm talking about Winds strictly. I believe he has too many pages to print and even if he split what he has into two parts (Winds Part I, Winds Part II) it wouldn't move the narrative where it needs it to finish everything up later in A Dream Of Spring.

He's already said he's not writing Winds and A Dream Of Spring at the same time so everything he has is for Winds. So he HAS to get Winds to a certain end point in order to set up the final book. But that's impossible if the pacing will be like the Arianne chapters I mentioned earlier. Most of those chapters have to be swiftly moving plots to resolutions. He's gotta finish the Winterfell battle pretty quickly, early in the book presumably. He's gotta finish the Meereen battle early; two of the Barristan chapters that he released for Winds depict the start of that battle. The ending of the Arianne chapter alludes to a certain other battle being resolved too. That's a lot of big narrative stuff.

 

[ghostwriterx]

I'm talking about Winds strictly. I believe he has too many pages to print and even if he split what he has into two parts (Winds Part I, Winds Part II) it wouldn't move the narrative where it needs it to finish everything up later in A Dream Of Spring.

He's already said he's not writing Winds and A Dream Of Spring at the same time so everything he has is for Winds. So he HAS to get Winds to a certain end point in order to set up the final book. But that's impossible if the pacing will be like the Arianne chapters I mentioned earlier. Most of those chapters have to be swiftly moving plots to resolutions. He's gotta finish the Winterfell battle pretty quickly, early in the book presumably. He's gotta finish the Meereen battle early; two of the Barristan chapters that he released for Winds depict the start of that battle. The ending of the Arianne chapter alludes to a certain other battle being resolved too. That's a lot of big narrative stuff.

I think the bigger issue is he told D&B the ending and when he saw it played out on tv, he realized it sucks and he can't make it, make sense.
Bran on the throne?

 

[Warren Peace]

I'm talking about Winds strictly. I believe he has too many pages to print and even if he split what he has into two parts (Winds Part I, Winds Part II) it wouldn't move the narrative where it needs it to finish everything up later in A Dream Of Spring.

He's already said he's not writing Winds and A Dream Of Spring at the same time so everything he has is for Winds. So he HAS to get Winds to a certain end point in order to set up the final book. But that's impossible if the pacing will be like the Arianne chapters I mentioned earlier. Most of those chapters have to be swiftly moving plots to resolutions. He's gotta finish the Winterfell battle pretty quickly, early in the book presumably. He's gotta finish the Meereen battle early; two of the Barristan chapters that he released for Winds depict the start of that battle. The ending of the Arianne chapter alludes to a certain other battle being resolved too. That's a lot of big narrative stuff.

He needs more books than he's got planned, but unfortunately it seems he's running out of time.

 

[Warren Peace]

I think the bigger issue is he told D&B the ending and when he saw it played out on tv, he realized it sucks and he can't make it, make sense.
Bran on the throne?

Honestly, I never got this. If anything, that would be a relief. Now you know what NOT to do. It's even easier on you to deliver something that's going to satisfy readers. If you're truly stuck and don't know where to go or how to end it, there are plenty of youtubers and redditors that have theories you can just run with and say that's what you had all along. Only issue is foreshadowing I suppose. Some things are locked in. You cannot have a different ending without hurting the story that's already been set up. Because you know he loves his dreams and prophecies.

 

[winb83]

I still think this guy gave HBO a rough draft of his ending and after it got shitted on he has nothing left. Fans of the series should just accept the ending of Game of Thrones because I doubt GRRM has any intention of finishing the books. It does not take 14 years to write a book even if it'll be over 1000 pages.

 

[Conan]

I still think this guy gave HBO a rough draft of his ending and after it got shitted on he has nothing left. Fans of the series should just accept the ending of Game of Thrones because I doubt GRRM has any intention of finishing the books. It does not take 14 years to write a book even if it'll be over 1000 pages.

First thing i'm doing when I win the lottery is hiring a team of writers to finish the series, partly to spite the lazy fat b*stard

 

[winb83]

First thing i'm doing when I win the lottery is hiring a team of writers to finish the series, partly to spite the lazy fat b*stard

The publisher and his estate will probably hire someone to finish if after he'd passed on. Maybe he leaves them some notes and they take whatever he has and makes something out of it.

 

[Ozymandeas]

He isn't writing.

He went Hollywood. Dude is hanging out with movie stars 1/3rd his age.

It's a wrap my guy. It's over.

Fred.

It's been like 14 years. Even if he was stuck, he could've finished 3-4 books by now.

Shyt nikka, write the last book then go back and fill in the rest

 

[LV Koopa]

A Dance With Dragons was a low point and I'm sure he knows it. Seasons 5-8 killed all the momentum for the books.