A world without trans people has never existed and never will. Pray for them.

[Yaboysix]

All joking aside, they're less than 1% of the population. You're more likely to run into John Redcorn than a Megan Snow type

Mfs are so scared off ppl cutting off their own body parts they voted for that orange retard

Plenty of Black revolutionaries, artists, martyrs were and are LGBT - they're still Black

The issue isn't them cutting their body parts off, it's when they try to convince CHILDREN that they should transition and modify their bodies.

They should very well wait till they are 18 and up to make that decision.

After that, do whatever the F k you want...cut that Dyck off, got them fake titties..
Take them hormones...cut your arm meat off and get it shaped and attached to your groin for a Fake non-working pump action penis to imitate you feeling like a man

 

[timeless]

Off the top of my head - hijras in India

Also priests in pre colonial Igboland serving female goddesses would become female to serve their goddesses

Two Spirits in some Native American cultures

The idea that there’s only 2 genders is largely a Western idea.

It sounds like the Hijiras were originally just eunuchs or males with deformed genitalia.

Two spirits aren't actually a thing among indigenous tribes of America. That was made up. There were effeminate men that did women duties and the same were for masculine women. But they didn't have two spirits, they were what we call queer. If anything the indigenous people would say that the Spirit has no gender. But that's not true either.

Two sexes isn't a western idea. It's pretty universal. But because of biological deformities and religious/spiritual practices, other names were invented to describe these people.

 

[Busted_Toes]

Why we got to call them by their pronouns though? Other than that i can ignore you but why i got to be apart of your body dysmorphia? YOU A NIKKA!!

 

[Illuminatos]

Ya’ll act like that “small 1 percent” doesn’t keep trying to force their ideologies on everyone.

 

[timeless]

Why we got to call them by their pronouns though? Other than that i can ignore you but why i got to be apart of your body dysmorphia? YOU A NIKKA!!

out of politeness? I guess?

 

[ba'al]

Are you saying that ignorance is a heterosexual trait?

I'm just shyt posting. Don't take it seriously. I agree with you actually.

My brother, knowledge of world history isn’t gay

I'm not your brother, boy.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

It sounds like the Hijiras were originally just eunuchs or males with deformed genitalia.

Two spirits aren't actually a thing among indigenous tribes of America. That was made up. There were effeminate men that did women duties and the same were for masculine women. But they didn't have two spirits, they were what we call queer. If anything the indigenous people would say that the Spirit has no gender. But that's not true either.

Two sexes isn't a western idea. It's pretty universal. But because of biological deformities and religious/spiritual practices, other names were invented to describe these people.

Hijras also included what we describe as trans people today. Not just eunuchs or intersex people (assuming you skimmed on Wikipedia just now - that same article says as much).

I’ve met indigenous people who would disagree with your characterization of the 2-Spirit phenomenon. But perhaps you know their culture better than them. I don’t know.

No response to the Igbo phenomenon?

You’re conflating sex and gender in the last paragraph

 

[yardman]

Off the top of my head - hijras in India

Also priests in pre colonial Igboland serving female goddesses would become female to serve their goddesses

Two Spirits in some Native American cultures

The idea that there’s only 2 genders is largely a Western idea.

The irony is that prior to be christianized they were totally accepting of LGBT members of their clans, people who fell under that umbrella were called Takatāpui. It was actually a common feature throughout Polynesian culture pre-colonization. Hawaii’s LGBT were called Aikāne and in Samoa they were called Fa'afafine.​

 

[timeless]

Hijras also included what we describe as trans people today. Not just eunuchs or intersex people (assuming you skimmed on Wikipedia just now - that same article says as much).

I’ve met indigenous people who would disagree with your characterization of the 2-Spirit phenomenon. But perhaps you know their culture better than them. I don’t know.

No response to the Igbo phenomenon?

You’re conflating sex and gender in the last paragraph

But that's exactly what the word means. The article even said that Hijras is a Hindu word that meant eunuch male or hermaphrodite, a person with deformed genitalia. Not people who felt they were in a different body, that's what trans people of today believe.

The two spirits thing is made up though. From what tribes did they come from, the indigenous people you met?

You never mentioned anything about igbo?

How did I conflate sex and gender? Sex is biological, gender is social. It has always been universally accepted that there are two sexes, but gender is different and depending on the society, the beliefs, the religion, they can vary. Like with with Chinese eunuchs. They are male, but the society they lived in dictated that they be castrated so they wouldn't reproduce, so they could work in the palace, or as punishment. They didn't stop being male just cause they had no balls.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

But that's exactly what the word means. The article even said that Hijras is a Hindu word that meant eunuch male or hermaphrodite, a person with deformed genitalia. Not people who felt they were in a different body, that's what trans people of today believe.

The two spirits thing is made up though. From what tribes did they come from, the indigenous people you met?

You never mentioned anything about igbo?

How did I conflate sex and gender? Sex is biological, gender is social. It has always been universally accepted that there are two sexes, but gender is different and depending on the society, the beliefs, the religion, they can vary. Like with with Chinese eunuchs. They are male, but the society they lived in dictated that they be castrated so they wouldn't reproduce, so they could work in the palace, or as punishment. They didn't stop being male just cause they had no balls.

Re Hijra, from the article - you gotta read it closely:

A qualitative, interview-based study found that those who fall under the umbrella of being hijra tend to identify with certain 'schools of thought' including Khusrapan and Zananapan. These terms refer to categories of hijra functioning. Those who follow Khusrapan identify with being a Hermaphrodite, denouncing sex work while believing that the ancient practices of bestowing prayers and blessings are to be depended on for sustenance. In contrast, the Zananapan school of thought has followers who may be born biologically male but identify with being a woman through their appearance and lifestyle.

re 2-Spirit - He is Ojibwe. What proof do you have that 2Spirit didn’t exist when there’s hundreds of peer reviewed academic papers to the contrary?

Igbo - Re-read post #28 in this thread

Gender/Sex Conflation - We’re talking about gender and you keep pivoting to biological sex. Why?

 

[timeless]

Re Hijra, from the article - you gotta read it closely:


re 2-Spirit - He is Ojibwe. What proof do you have that 2Spirit didn’t exist when there’s hundreds of peer reviewed academic papers to the contrary?

Igbo - Re-read post #28 in this thread

Gender/Sex Conflation - We’re talking about gender and you keep pivoting to biological sex. Why?

That's not what they originally were and that's not what the word means. Which is cool, but it shows that from a Hindu historical perspective, these people were not your today's trans. They were males that were eunuchs or hermaphrodites.

Okay, so I've actually met someone from the northern tribes. A two spirits person is trans ideology, but it's based off of queer people. As in effeminate men or masculine women. But it's not a trans thing. Nobody cut off their penises or breasts. I don't have to look at studies when there are actual indeginius people saying this, including ones in my own family.

I didn't see the igbo portion of that, but were these people castrating themselves?

Sex and gender go hand in hand. It's why you have words like Hijras to denote a male that is a eunuch or a hermaphrodite. In fact, in almost all cases you have words that specify this person is a male or female, but they don't behave as one.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

That's not what they originally were and that's not what the word means. Which is cool, but it shows that from a Hindu historical perspective, these people were not your today's trans. They were males that were eunuchs or hermaphrodites.

Okay, so I've actually met someone from the northern tribes. A two spirits person is trans ideology, but it's based off of queer people. As in effeminate men or masculine women. But it's not a trans thing. Nobody cut off their penises or breasts. I don't have to look at studies when there are actual indeginius people saying this, including ones in my own family.

I didn't see the igbo portion of that, but were these people castrating themselves?

Sex and gender go hand in hand. It's why you have words like Hijras to denote a male that is a eunuch or a hermaphrodite. In fact, in almost all cases you have words that specify this person is a male or female, but they don't behave as one.

I had no idea that you were an expert of the two schools of thought regarding Hijras! I think you have to debunk the existence Zananapan School of Thought using vedic philosophical concepts and evidence….

Your castration question is weird. You don’t necessarily have to castrate yourself to adopt another gender identity.

Sex and gender do not go hand in hand, which is why many human cultures have devised terminologies, concepts, and even religious understandings to explain when they do not.

 

[timeless]

I had no idea that you were an expert of the two schools of thought regarding Hijras! I think you have to debunk the existence Zananapan School of Thought using vedic philosophical concepts and evidence….

Your castration question is weird. You don’t necessarily have to castrate yourself to adopt another gender identity.

Sex and gender do not go hand in hand, which is why many human cultures have devised terminologies, concepts, and even religious understandings to explain when they do not.

Why you being so sassy, damn. I'm just saying the meaning of the word and why they called themselves that and who it belonged.

Sex and gender do go together for sure. Biology influences behavior and women and men have very different types of behaviors. People with anomalies are called by different names and there are plenty of words for it, even in western terms. Metrosexuals, tomboys, queer.

 

[Roger king]

They are easy targets, they arent bothering anyone and just want to life their lives is not my business what a consenting adult wants to do about his/her sexuality.

 

[JadeB]

Trans people has always existed. There were trans people in Africa who got snatched up in the slave trade. They will always be trans people no matter how hard you try to erase them