AAVE is as complex as Standard American English

[im_sleep]

If you got any spare time

First time I seen this video years ago blew my mind


Everybody should watch it...everybody

 

[Pit Bull]

I do wonder when the N Word actually was perceived as a slur by blacks.
Is it possible that for a while it was not perceived as a slur but just a noun?
Maybe that is a reason blacks from prior generations used it?

It was beat into their heads. They were viewed and treated as cattle, a pet. You name a dog and the dog will soon learn his name. They got called that shyt so much that they thought that's who they were. It was passed down to us generation to generation.

 

[Deuterion]

Again, I think you are coloring a large swath of people without taking into consideration nuance of time and place.
Chicago and Detroit had one of the largest black republican contingents in the country. Why, I couldn't tell you off top.
But many of them did not convert or become hardcore Democrats until the election of Obama. There were still a good amount that were Condi Rice/Colin Powell types until Obama came on the scene.
Many of these "new" republican types are actually from the South.

Well I don’t know everything so I could definitely be speaking from a position of ignorance in some respects. However, I have to say that African American culture is Conservative so it’s no secret why we would lean Republican when Republicans still had Conservative values. But I want to move away from the political talk and back to the point that there were a culture of Black Americans a lot of them decendants of freed men who took up a strong “no nikkas” approach to life. They adopted the mantra that anyone who didn’t walk and talk like the White man was inferior hence why your grandma had such a strong response to you speaking like an African American. She wanted you to speak like a good ol’ White man cuz white = right.

I notice the side of my older family who were working class or unskilled labor occupations say it.


Your are willfully ignoring the complexity of what it took for black americans survive and become upwardly mobile in a majority white controlled society just son you can make fake woke statement.


Are black Americans boule or c00ns becaisr they aren't speaking African languages in America?

You are talking non sense.

There’s a difference between “when in rome do as the romans do” and “rome is the only way to live and everyone else is inferior”. Having to conduct yourself in a way that makes White people comfortable is understandable as we still have to do that today but when you start calling Black American speech patterns “n1ggerish” you cross the line into c00nism. At that point you are identifying with your oppressors and begin showing signs of Stockholm syndrome. I know it was difficult in those times but that doesn’t mean you have to shyt on your own people.

 

[Elle Driver]

I speak real country round my family so fast you can’t even understand me if you not familiar with country talk.

 

[Sukairain]

Mannn, you're doing more talk about how ebonics is DIFFERENT from Standard English. "Ebonics does abc whereas Standard English does xyz"-- breh I don't give a fukk Why is Standard English being forced as the primary source of comparison in convos where it should take a back seat? That's what I'm talking about, this urge that English HAS to be center stage, rather than studying and giving platform to what actually makes ebonics, ebonics.

If that' means I'm "scared of education" then so be it

I would guess it's because Standard English has become a global language where you have a lot of people speaking it as a second or third language to facilitate international communication. In practical terms, it's the language of reference for people all over the world. All languages today take their cues from SE. Even the French, who are so parochial about language, can't resist the anglicisation of their language.

Regarding research in linguistics, I imagine written languages in general are more intensely researched than vernaculars. The article discussed how challenging it can be to gather up data on a vernacular language. A literary language is probably way easier because you don't have to go out and conduct field research to get started, you can just look up how people write to begin your analysis.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Anybody else have black American parent that policed your speech at home?
It was annoying to me back when I was younger but I'm grateful for it now.

No, but, tbf, I got a lot of SAE at home. Outside my house (but in the neighborhood), there were a lot of strictly AAVE-speakers. I consider myself fully fluent in both. 'Even wp' consider me to be superior English speaker. (But I learned other languages young. When you learn another language, you get better at your original languages, I think.)

 

[invalid]

We should see ourselves as an amalgamation of Scots-Irish and W. African cultures of the 1600's- 1700's. Imo, as a historian and almost-linguist.

Jamaicans are similar.

This is true. But there has been other influences for example how black people like sweet cornbread vs unsweetened cornbread. Sweet bread was a hallmark of English and French cooking methods that were popular among the Southern gentry set whom were primarily of English descent. It was the house slaves that had to prepare meals with these cooking methods and continued preparing meals in this way post slavery. That's how sweet cornbread was introduced into the black community and is in stark contrast with white southerners descended from the scots-irish, who could not historically afford sugar, which was a luxury, to add to their meals. House slaves had sugar at their disposal when making meals for their owners and continued to use when they gained their freedom. There is a big debate about the right way cornbread is suppose to be made. It's divided among race, black/white, and class, upper class/lower class white southerners.

 

[Black Steph Curry]

As opposed to AAVE.
My grandmother was an English major at a school that emphasized classical education.
And growing up on the South Side of Chicago in the 50's and 60's, AAVE did not have currency among professional blacks.
It still does not have currency among professional blacks.
I know that may be a surprise to you.

It doesn't surprise me at all considering tha amount of softshoeing & assimilating tha boule did (and does) to appease to cac sensibilities so they can acquire some show off money & put on airs. There's playing tha game for resources and i understand that to a certain extent but when you're so deep in tha game tht you internalize tha prejudices and stereotypes levied toward you by cacs, have a crisis of identity and forget what's important then i can't fukk with that. Ppl more worried about 'acting ******ish' then helping they own, tha so called '******s' they look down on. All for what? As if cacs are tha golden standard to strive towards. That's not respectable or solid.

 

[Deuterion]

No, but, tbf, I got a lot of SAE at home. Outside my house (but in the neighborhood), there were a lot of strictly AAVE-speakers. I consider myself fully fluent in both. 'Even wp' consider me to be superior English speaker. (But I learned other languages young. When you learn another language, you get better at your original languages, I think.)

When you learn a second language you actually learn how language works. You learn what an infinitive is, what a conjugation is...you understand the importance of tenses, and etc. I personally didn’t understand language until I learned Spanish as a second language. Lastly, I’ve gotten to a point where my base language is a blend of AAVE and SAE where I omit the double negatives of AAVE but use grammar such as “he BIN workin at duane reade for a year now” and “the ramifications of white flight lef da neighborhood in shambles and allowed criminal elements to infiltrate the projecks”. I live in that middle ground 95% percent of the time even at work and only switch up in large meetings or when speaking with people I do not know.

 

[im_sleep]

I do wonder when the N Word actually was perceived as a slur by blacks.
Is it possible that for a while it was not perceived as a slur but just a noun?
Maybe that is a reason blacks from prior generations used it?

It has ALWAYS been a slur as far as our interactions with the word.

Now the point in which we used it to describe each other would of occurred at some point during slavery. Check the video below.

 

[GoAggieGo.]

I'm gonna regret it, but hit me!

Man, you got me wanting to hit up the casino and do a lil gambling. Get a few games of black jack in, lol.

Anybody else have black American parent that policed your speech at home?
It was annoying to me back when I was younger but I'm grateful for it now.

This was my mom. She’s a teacher, and would get on my siblings and I when we “mis-spoke” or said words that didn’t abide by the rules of SAE.

Something in particular I can remember is my siblings, dad, and I used to say sho’ll a lot. “You sho’ll is taking a long time” or just saying sho’ll period. She’d try to correct us every now and then by telling us it’s “sure is.” It was always funny when she’d try to police my dad. He’s a college educated engineer, but he grew up in the country on the farm, and around a lot more AA’s than my mom did, so he was well versed in AAVE and outside of work, didn’t hide it. There were many times I remember my mom telling my pop that he was speaking incorrectly, and he’d just shrug it off and we’d all laugh.

 

[Citi Trends]

What was the song?

A random future song

 

[Deuterion]

Man, you got me wanting to hit up the casino and do a lil gambling. Get a few games of black jack in, lol.


This was my mom. She’s a teacher, and would get on my siblings and I when we “mis-spoke” or said words that didn’t abide by the rules of SAE.

Something in particular I can remember is my siblings, dad, and I used to say sho’ll a lot. “You sho’ll is taking a long time” or just saying sho’ll period. She’d try to correct us every now and then by telling us it’s “sure is.” It was always funny when she’d try to police my dad. He’s a college educated engineer, but he grew up in the country on the farm, and around a lot more AA’s than my mom did, so he was well versed in AAVE and outside of work, didn’t hide it. There were many times I remember my mom telling my pop that he was speaking incorrectly, and he’d just shrug it off and we’d all laugh.

Man that’s my word...”nikka you sho’iz trippin’ right now and that’s a fa sho right on”.

 

[HarlemHottie]

When you learn a second language you actually learn how language works. You learn what an infinitive is, what a conjugation is...you understand the importance of tenses, and etc. I personally didn’t understand language until I learned Spanish as a second language. Lastly, I’ve gotten to a point where my base language is a blend of AAVE and SAE where I omit the double negatives of AAVE but use grammar such as “he BIN workin at duane reade for a year now” and “the ramifications of white flight lef da neighborhood in shambles and allowed criminal elements to infiltrate the projecks”. I live in that middle ground 95% percent of the time even at work and only switch up in large meetings or when speaking with people I do not know.

Learning Latin changed my life, real shyt. I could actually see in real life how AAVE augments SAE by filling in blanks.

 

[David_TheMan]

If you got any spare time

Thanks for this video.
Really enjoyed