AAVE is as complex as Standard American English

[Deuterion]

I get your point but you are doing exactly what I just did. My people have historically been RINOs and so have a lot of the people we knew so your assumption falls flat.

It’s that same Northerner class of people that went Democrat once the Repiblicam party started going hardcore Neo-Con post Reagan. There are still some vestiges like Mike Steele but they are all getting their nikka wake up calls...

 

[315]

Of course I am, I'm human.

I understand we are all subjects able to be studied for fiction, for poetry, for essays, etc. It strikes me weirdly though that it takes a non black person to say these things, things which Black Americans have been saying for years, for it to suddenly become an article to be taken seriously. It's as though our own words aren't enough. Instead it needs to be broken down in an article for others to understand.

I didn't post this to say "hey here's someone non Black speaking on this". This article just happened to come up on my TL

 

[Shadow]

I didn't post this to say "hey here's someone non Black speaking on this". This article just happened to come up on my TL

No, that wasn't in reference to you posting the article.

 

[Deuterion]

I get your point but you are doing exactly what I just did. My people have historically been RINOs and so have a lot of the people we knew so your assumption falls flat.

And code switching was a hallmark among blacks who rose up into the middle class. It was not a characteristic of blacks who were historically middle class.

Additionally, I don't like how you equate those that emphasized what society established as correct speech as boule/c00ns.

I’m not equating them to c00ns because of them preferring SAE. I’m equating them to c00ns for saying shyt like your Grandma did when she equated things uniquely Black such as AAVE as ignorant and n166erish. You think their ideology stopped at just language? This Black American subculture was rejecting everything Black to blend in and be accepted by Whites. They felt they were better than other Blacks which is why they get the Boule moniker.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Beside the fact that there are different forms of British English. .

I realize that, which is why I specified *common* forms of British English.

Early SAE (a combination of various dialects, including whatever the common British, Irish, and Scots were speaking at the time, whatever nikkas on the slave ships was talking) + whatever pidgin enslaved Africans spoke (several W. African dialects combined and then boiled down to their basics)= AAVE.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Dope thread.

 

[David_TheMan]

Anybody else notice that some of your old black boomer relatives use 'nikka'.
The media makes it like rappers like NWA started this.

I reads somewhere it was docemented being used amoung blacks in the same manner today in the 1930s.
So I wouldn't put stock into older blacks who claim they never used it that way or it wasn't used that way. They are lying to save face.

 

[Asicz]

Shout out to @Shadow with his willfull and extreme ignorance derailing thread. Moron on ignore.

 

[invalid]

I realize that, which is why I specified *common* forms of British English.

My bad. Didn't see that quote. I was responding to this quote because it didn't appear that you clarified that.

You're right, and to build on this, if you wanna get into a language hierarchy, SAE is seen as lower than British English (to non linguists).

Common British would be BBC English as in what is spoken on BBC News.

 

[David_TheMan]

Mannn, you're doing more talk about how ebonics is DIFFERENT from Standard English. "Ebonics does abc whereas Standard English does xyz"-- breh I don't give a fukk Why is Standard English being forced as the primary source of comparison in convos where it should take a back seat? That's what I'm talking about, this urge that English HAS to be center stage, rather than studying and giving platform to what actually makes ebonics, ebonics.

If that' means I'm "scared of education" then so be it

You asked me what is the difference between Ebonics and Standard english, and now you are saying you don't give a fukk.
I would suggest you figure out what you actually mean, because the words you are typing aren't conveying what you obviously feel.

Standard English isn't being forced at all, its called AAVE for a reason, that last E is english, so it only makes sense to compare it to the dominant form of english used in the nation. It seems you are confused an angry about absolutely nothing consequential.

Why does it have to be english, because to some who study it, its a spin off of standard english, you have others who think it might be the a creole language that came over, in academics there is room for both and in the end research and hopefully greater study will point to one over the other.

That said to get mad about it or complain about it being compared to english makes no logical sense at all to me, again, take your emotion and feelings of inadequcies out of it.

 

[315]

If you got any spare time

 

[HarlemHottie]

Wow great point.
I never thought about how our Grand Parents and Great Grand Parents occupation might influence whether generations down the line use AAVE or SAE.

I come from upper echelon servants. My grandmother was high up in the maid hierarchy, I guess, and my grandfather was a fancy chef. He cooked for all kinda old Harlem gangsters (including the Jewish ones- he cooked kosher when necc.), etc. So their children present as 'classier'. People be thinking I was born to money- no, we're just money-adjacent, but it does effect language usage.

 

[invalid]

It’s that same Northerner class of people that went Democrat once the Repiblicam party started going hardcore Neo-Con post Reagan. There are still some vestiges like Mike Steele but they are all getting their nikka wake up calls...

Again, I think you are coloring a large swath of people without taking into consideration nuance of time and place.
Chicago and Detroit had one of the largest black republican contingents in the country. Why, I couldn't tell you off top.
But many of them did not convert or become hardcore Democrats until the election of Obama. There were still a good amount that were Condi Rice/Colin Powell types until Obama came on the scene.
Many of these "new" republican types are actually from the South.

 

[Pit Bull]

Anybody else notice that some of your old black boomer relatives use 'nikka'.
The media makes it like rappers like NWA started this.

Man nikka has been here since slavery. You can read it in a slave narrative. You can hear it on any Blaxploitation flick from the 70s. shyt I grew up around a bunch of Al Green, James Brown listening to elders that used the word religiously towards anybody, think Caine daddy them from Menace goin at each other neck over Al Green. I had healthy dosage of that word from them. Old head folks that would cuss you clean the fukk out for playin rap around them, not because it was disrespectful but because that shyt was wack to them. Funk and Southern Soul was the street music before Hip Hop. I don't know why nikkas be tryna act like this some shyt that come from rap. Pre Hip Hop generations used that word just as much as we do, if not more if you include the slaves who referred to themselves as nikkas on the regular.

 

[Asicz]

I reads somewhere it was docemented being used amoung blacks in the same manner today in the 1930s.
So I wouldn't put stock into older blacks who claim they never used it that way or it wasn't used that way. They are lying to save face.

I notice the side of my older family who were working class or in unskilled labor occupations say it.

I’m not equating them to c00ns because of them preferring SAE. I’m equating them to c00ns for saying shyt like your Grandma did when she equated things uniquely Black such as AAVE as ignorant and n166erish. You think their ideology stopped at just language? This Black American subculture was rejecting everything Black to blend in and be accepted by Whites. They felt they were better than other Blacks which is why they get the Boule moniker.

You are willfully ignoring the complexity of what it took for black americans to survive and become upwardly mobile in a majority white controlled society just so you can make fake woke statement.


Are black Americans boule or c00ns because they aren't speaking African languages in America?

You are talking non sense.