Adam Silver Defends NBA's Second Apron Era Amid Player Criticism

[Joe Sixpack]

Baseball union isn't nearly as powerful as they used to be. That died with the steroid era and people turned on them too.

That 6 years to free agency shyt is tough but once you make it passed that and get to free agency you good...

There's no salary cap which is HUGE so the union has done its job

 

[FTBS]

the 2nd apron penalties are so absurd tho.

Before trading Zingis and Jrue, the Celtics payroll was like 230 mill or something like that. They would've had like 300 million additionally in 2nd apron penalties. That's WAY overboard.

I agree. But its also intentional. Owners been tryna get here since 98.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Fully aware of this.

Teams were willing to spend more going over the cap when the penalties weren't nearly as bad which was good for the players. Now? Not so much.

That favored wealthy markets and owners significantly. So, the Lakers and clippers can go over but the pacers and others wouldn't...now it's harsh on everyone even the haves, and you have an actual salary cap.

Personally, I like both this system, and a no cap system. Either have a fully free market like baseball (though with arbitration and games played it gets shady) or have a hardcore cap.

 

[Rekkapryde]

That 6 years to free agency shyt is tough but once you make it passed that and get to free agency you good...

There's no salary cap which is HUGE so the union has done its job

The teams that aren't even tryin is what makes me puke.

 

[Diondon]

Do the damn work
Scout, draft and cultivate talent. What's so hard in that?
but folk just want to throw bags of cash at their issues
talmbout they in "win now" mode

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Well put it this way:

You're SGA. You just got the highest AAV in sports. Why would I risk taking a season off to fight for a guy who isn't a fraction as good as me to get money he probably doesn't deserve?

The top 1% of the NBA's interests are completely different from the rank and file. It's why it's so much better to have the Fred Van Vleet's of the league and Grant Williams' be the main voices at the negotiating table and not LeBron.

I understand that but someone has to fight

MLK said he might not make it to the promise land with you but you gonna get there

Spencer Haywood fought for shyt

Curt Flood

Oscar Robertson

They all fought for shyt that didn't directly benefit them but the next generation

 

[FTBS]

That favored wealthy markets and owners significantly. So, the Lakers and clippers can go over but the pacers and others wouldn't...now it's harsh on everyone even the haves, and you have an actual salary cap.

Personally, I like both this system, and a no cap system. Either have a fully free market like baseball (though with arbitration and games played it gets shady) or have a hardcore cap.

Thats they keyword here and why its all bullshyt. Its not that they couldn't, its they they chose not to. And rather than living with the consequences of their choices they install a system that keeps anyone from doing it. And we have enough owners focused on profit over everything to make it happen.

What was wrong with the cap, bird rights, no max system IYO?

And people talk about these mythical big bad markets like they been running shyt. Lakers got one chip in the last 15 years and ranged between ass and mid for most of the rest of that time. Clips, got no chips. Knicks been a non factor for 25 years before this year. Where were all these advantages for the rich, big markets? Nah, this is all about money. Parity is a pretty face to put on it but we already had that.

 

[Rekkapryde]

That favored wealthy markets and owners significantly. So, the Lakers and clippers can go over but the pacers and others wouldn't...now it's harsh on everyone even the haves, and you have an actual salary cap.

Personally, I like both this system, and a no cap system. Either have a fully free market like baseball (though with arbitration and games played it gets shady) or have a hardcore cap.

OKC had the highest luxury tax penalties for a few years so it's not just limited to bug markets. Miami is a big market but even they are cheap. Chicago cheap as well.
Milwaukee been paying the tax for a minute now too.

I just wished they had a system where you didn't punish teams that drafted/scouted well and allowed them to keep their core's together. Maybe not count as much of the cap against those contracts.

I agree. But its also intentional. Owners been tryna get here since 98.

No doubt.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Thats they keyword here and why its all bullshyt. Its not that they couldn't, its they they chose not to. And rather than living with the consequences of their choices they install a system that keeps anyone from doing it. And we have enough owners focused on profit over everything to make it happen.

What was wrong with the cap, bird rights, no max system IYO?

this.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Ok well they need to tweak this shyt

If you draft a player and he is as good as you thought he would be and you resign him to a 2nd contract the total value of that contract shouldn't go against the cap

Teams should not be penalized for scouting the right players and resigning them

I don't disagree that some teams get hurt by that, What I have seen as a result of the 2nd apron is that teams are valuing the draft more. They're making more educated decisions. Remember when teams used to just sell 2nd rounders? Now, not nearly as much. Teams used to punt picks by drafting players they knew they'd never see. The teams with all the bites at the apple (OKC being one of them) has been huge unless you botch those picks. Jalen Williams has been so good that everyone has forgotten that he was the THIRD guy OKC took in that draft. Ousmane Dieng went before him. they took Poku 2 years before that, and it never derailed them. They're cracked eggs that were needed to make the omelet that is the Thunder.

I've been a supporter of potentially having a designated player where their salary doesn't count against the cap or it only counts at a certain percentage of it (same way a 16 year vet can get a vet minimum for $4-5 mil but it only counts for $2.3 against the cap.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

The baseball union is the most powerful union in sports

You would think with guaranteed contracts that the NBA players would have more backbone but they don't

They not willing to go to the mattresses to fight for shyt that will only benefit the players that come after them..

The NFL will never have it. The careers are too short they will never be unified and get guaranteed contracts. They can't even get free lifetime healthcare which is terrible

You've got to have very selfless people, because for them to get real change they'd have to do a 12-18 month strike. When you got Malik Beasley type nikkas taking 600K payday loans, it's easy to see why they're cool with the status quo

 

[Joe Sixpack]

You've got to have very selfless people, because for them to get real change they'd have to do a 12-18 month strikes. When you got Malik Beasley type nikkas taking 600K payday loans, it's easy to see why they're cool with the status quo

Its really kinda sad

Back in the days players had to have jobs in the off-season just to pay the bills yet some special people STILL stepped up. Curt Flood still said fukk it that is to me

You would think now with the money that is being made that SOMEONE would step up

Crazy

 

[FTBS]

I don't disagree that some teams get hurt by that, What I have seen as a result of the 2nd apron is that teams are valuing the draft more. They're making more educated decisions. Remember when teams used to just sell 2nd rounders? Now, not nearly as much. Teams used to punt picks by drafting players they knew they'd never see. The teams with all the bites at the apple (OKC being one of them) has been huge unless you botch those picks. Jalen Williams has been so good that everyone has forgotten that he was the THIRD guy OKC took in that draft. Ousmane Dieng went before him. they took Poku 2 years before that, and it never derailed them. They're cracked eggs that were needed to make the omelet that is the Thunder.

I've been a supporter of potentially having a designated player where their salary doesn't count against the cap or it only counts at a certain percentage of it (same way a 16 year vet can get a vet minimum for $4-5 mil but it only counts for $2.3 against the cap.

Why not just go back to the pre KG system? Got a cap but you can pay whatever to keep your guys. Whats wrong with that system? Why change that? Thats how you know this aint about parity or any other buzzword they might throw out, its all about money.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Its really kinda sad

Back in the days players had to have jobs in the off-season just to pay the bills yet some special people STILL stepped up. Curt Flood still said fukk it that is to me

You would think now with the money that is being made that SOMEONE would step up

Crazy

You see this mentality all over, not just in sports. Everyone is on the 'fukk you, I got mine' type time these days. Scary hours

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Thats they keyword here and why its all bullshyt. Its not that they couldn't, its they they chose not to. And rather than living with the consequences of their choices they install a system that keeps anyone from doing it. And we have enough owners focused on profit over everything to make it happen.

What was wrong with the cap, bird rights, no max system IYO?

And people talk about these mythical big bad markets like they been running shyt. Lakers got one chip in the last 15 years and ranged between ass and mid for most of the rest of that time. Clips, got no chips. Knicks been a non factor for 25 years before this year. Where were all these advantages for the rich, big markets? Nah, this is all about money. Parity is a pretty face to put on it but we already had that.

Fair enough, these are all billionaires. And true regarding results. Celtics and rockets and Lakers unarguably get a higher concentration of free agents than other teams in our lives though.

That said, to your question, a no max system favors the richest franchises and owners I'm free agency. The dodgers and Astros and Yankees and Mets...compared to the pirates and mariners and A's. So, yeah, I don't mind a cap. Like I said though, I like either no cap, or a hardcore cap. Different goals.