Africa a little 100 years ago.

[JadeB]

Interesting add. Just want to some important points.

Civilizations such as Ancient NOK, Wagadu ("Ghana"), Ancient Kush, Kemet and Punt ("Somalia") traded primary goods.

Horses from NOK, Gold from Wagadu and Camels from Somalia were being in exchange of natural resources that would benefit each of them. ()

Ancient Kemet stands out because it was a melting pot civilization that consisted of various ethnicities. Nilotics, Pygmies, Khoisan and Bantu. The Afar group of Ethiopia are credited with naming the continent as Afu-raka.

In fact, most modern Afrikan languages originate from the Medu Neter. Kemet/ Egyptah.

The word "KMT" means "land of the blacks". For those that want to know about "black unity" (Km (hieroglyph) - Wikipedia).

Religions such as Islam played a major role in slave-raiding in West Afrika and East Afrika. Read about the Arab Slave Trade.

Islam become the dominant force in West Afrika by the 14th century. The Fulbe (Fulani) were among the first in West Afrika to accept the religion due to their role as being traveling merchants.

The Fulbe led several Islamic jihadist expansions such as the Sokoto Caliphate and Tukulor. However, the Fulbe such as Wodaabe kept to their pre-Islamic beliefs!
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In fact, there was tension cause of Islam. King Sunny Ali of the Songhai dynasty defeated the Muslim Keita dynasty of Mali before ruling.

King Sunny Ali wanted to unite West Afrika to prevent the Portuguese who at the time were starting to conquer little by little.

He put restrictions of Islam practices and promoted indigneous Afrikan spirituality as a path of strength for the empire.

Unfortunately, in Songhai oral history, he was killed by his sister's son who was a devout muslim ().

The main reason why Cacs took over is because of weaponery, greed and religion.

Certain leaders converted to Christianity to *appease* the guest. This would eventually back fire.

The problems with modern Afrika is
1.) Mental colonialism
2.) Economic Colonialism
3.)Spiritual Colonialism.

Mental colonization because of arguments consisting arbitrary borders ("nationalism vs nationalism"). Lack of history of pre-Imperial age. Religions picturing black skin as "cursed" and "evil". Read about how Christianity started anti-blackness.

Tackle one and the rest will crumble like dominoes.

Why would Egyptians call themselves Black though as a descriptor? Usually "land of the x" is a name given by outsiders i.e. Ethiopia which was the name the ancient Greeks gave for "land of the burnt skin" or Zanzibar from the Persian phrase "land of the blacks"

 

[Red Shield]

Better? England was in India far longer than they could keep their grip on Africa. Places like Philippines where everyone had a turn gang banging the country.

C'mon son. Muthafuking China being strung out on opium? Hong Kong being a colony until the late 90's

You mean far more complacent

yes BETTER.

you're acting like I said other people didn't get hit

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

yes BETTER.

you're acting like I said other people didn't get hit

no not better but you can lie to yourself... them having longer occupations does not support your claims

 

[Red Shield]

no not better but you can lie to yourself... them having longer occupations does not support your claims

considering that their countries are in much better shape compared to black folks.. yeah they did roll with the punches better

 

[Red Shield]

Africans messed up in many ways and are in part to blame for what ensued.

Not to mention the psychological trauma and the screwed reputation that has built for people of African descent around world that we are still fighting against.

The negative connotation of Black people sprang from the view that we are human merchandise/commodity/inhuman, disposable and can be treated anyhow. The idea that we have a high pain tolerance and that our lives don’t matter as much as other stems from what took place centuries before as well as what took place during the Atlantic slave trade and the Arab slave trade.

Had tribal chiefs peeped game early, they wold have substituted the trade of human to actual product and we would have been talking about African countries like we speak of Japan and China today.

The past informs the present, hence why studying history is so vital.

Reminds me of a thread Poitier made...
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/africans-and-inherited-behaviors.440317/



But yeah... all of this could have been avoided if there was just some long term thinking

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

considering that their countries are in much better shape compared to black folks.. yeah they did roll with the punches better

hence complacency

they had no issues as you say rolling with the punches that's why Indians were imported everywhere from Africa to the West Indies as a "buffer" class between White and Black People.

We resisted more and we got penalized more. But got our independence faster.

I'm not sure what point you think you making but it sure ain't in to your benefit

Hong Kong is still fighting for independence and India is a shythole. I'm not sure what the word better denotes to you because one country is literally hazardous for your health and the other is fighting being swallowed up into China.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Reminds me of a thread Poitier made...
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/africans-and-inherited-behaviors.440317/



But yeah... all of this could have been avoided if there was just some long term thinking

ahh I see the agenda now

shoulda known you was on that team. carry on.

 

[Red Shield]

hence complacency

they had no issues as you say rolling with the punches that's why Indians were imported everywhere from Africa to the West Indies as a "buffer" class between White and Black People.

We resisted more and we got penalized more. But got our independence faster.

I'm not sure what point you think you making but it sure ain't in to your benefit

Hong Kong is still fighting for independence and India is a shythole. I'm not sure what the word better denotes to you because one country is literally hazardous for your health and the other is fighting being swallowed up into China.

complacency? the indian's, chinese, phillipinos, thai, etc fought back. They got hit, they rolled with the punches better then we did.

hell I'm not sure what you're point is either


India is a nuclear power.

Hong Kong isn't a country but a part of China that was always going back to being one with China.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

complacency? the indian's, chinese, phillipinos, thai, etc fought back. They got hit, they rolled with the punches better then we did.

hell I'm not sure what you're point is either


India is a nuclear power.

Hong Kong isn't a country but a part of China that was always going back to being one with China.

India is also a polluted wasteland. Yes they won?

you clearly don't know the history of the philippines

It's ok nikka all you had to do was quote that Poitier thread and I know what you about now. Your whole angle is downing Africans because of Slavery. This isn't an objective discussion with you.

 

[Ya?]

It pretty much is... out gunned

at that point the only fair fights had were the ones waged in the remote jungles, guerilla warfare. in the open we couldn't compete with machine guns

If you read up a lot of war strategist you will see that going into war without a plan dooms you to failure more times than not.

Take a look at the first Anglo-Zulu war where the English lost. The zulus had won yet they didn’t have gun what they had was a tactical commander who applied strategy and the fact that they were on home turf. He also united a long of clans under the umbrella of the Zulus. You can’t sneeze at firepower but it’s not the only determining factor.

when England got wind of the loss they stopped underestimating them and actually doubled their efforts.

There are other historical examples of this with the war of 300 Greeks vs Persians, etc...

 

[truth2you]

I get what your overall point is, but you're making an oversimplification regarding Vietnam.
It wasn't just will and guerilla tactics used by the VCs. They were also backed and supplied with arms by the Soviets and China.

Euros had maps and surveys of interior Africa before colonization kicked off. Missionaries,merchants and explorers were taking notes for years. Like I wrote earlier in the thread, the development of quinine removed the major barrier Euros had from venturing into the interior of parts of the continent.

When Euros came in , local people and armies fought them, but the Euros had superior technology and had intel abut geography, tensions between groups,etc,etc.

And that is the main point of this thread!

Dont you realize how big Africa is? All the people had to do was find ways to trap them. Back then, the technology was nothing like the 60s. You had to reload your guns constantly, white men didn't have anything to keep them cool or to have clean drinking water. quinine is for malaria, but there is more to worry then that. Africans still have the Guinea worm effecting the people from unclean drinking water. If you dont know what it is, I suggest you look it up, it ain't no joke

Just ambushing them in the jungle areas could have pushed them away. Then when you take into account if they got there by water, Africans could easily be prepared just by seeing the ships come in

But like you said they got fooled by missionaries, although, once the first set of military came they new what was up. No matter how you call it, if just a few Africans United from different areas, they could have easily trapped the Europeans because of how big Africa is.

Like I said the technology wasn't that much more powerful back then, especially considering the landscape, and Europeans not having the tools to survive it for long. If Africa kept Europeans away, the west might not be as strong as they are now. Africa played a pivotal part in Europe getting so rich!

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

And that is the main point of this thread!

Dont you realize how big Africa is? All the people had to do was find ways to trap them. Back then, the technology was nothing like the 60s. You had to reload your guns constantly, white men didn't have anything to keep them cool or to have clean drinking water. quinine is for malaria, but there is more to worry then that. Africans still have the Guinea worm effecting the people from unclean drinking water. If you dont know what it is, I suggest you look it up, it ain't no joke

Just ambushing them in the jungle areas could have pushed them away. Then when you take into account if they got there by water, Africans could easily be prepared just by seeing the ships come in

But like you said they got fooled by missionaries, although, once the first set of military came they new what was up. No matter how you call it, if just a few Africans United from different areas, they could have easily trapped the Europeans because of how big Africa is.

Like I said the technology wasn't that much more powerful back then, especially considering the landscape, and Europeans not having the tools to survive it for long. If Africa kept Europeans away, the west might not be as strong as they are now. Africa played a pivotal part in Europe getting so rich!

NO don't you?

which people, all these folks scattered across the lands had to do was wake up and say we are all Black across many miles and fighting the same battle together even though they had no idea that was the case?



more simplistic revisionist history

people were fighting on all fronts they were not communicating on all fronts. there was no internet or local newspapers to inform everyone they had a common enemy.

the europeans lost a lot of jungle warfare and they were in plenty of landlocked places where people didn't see ships coming.

All native Americans had to do was the same. North and South America... how did that work out? We're still here to tell our stories, millions of native Americans are not and their lands are repopulated. Stop downplaying that. We survived their diseases and guns.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

If you read up a lot of war strategist you will see that going into war without a plan dooms you to failure more times than not.

Take a look at the first Anglo-Zulu war where the English lost. The zulus had won yet they didn’t have gun what they had was a tactical commander who applied strategy and the fact that they were on home turf. You can’t sneeze at firepower but it’s not the only determining factor.

when England got wind of the loss they stopped underestimating them and actually doubled their efforts.

There are other historical examples of this with the war of 300 Greeks vs Persians, etc...

And like I told you England took a lot of L's in other countries as well. It's kind of the reason they left

 

[truth2you]

NO don't you?

which people, all these folks scattered across the lands had to do was wake up and say we are all Black across many miles and fighting the same battle together even though they had no idea that was the case?



more simplistic revisionist history

people were fighting on all fronts they were not communicating on all fronts. there was no internet or local newspapers to inform everyone they had a common enemy.

the europeans lost a lot of jungle warfare and they were in plenty of landlocked places where people didn't see ships coming.

All native Americans had to do was the same. North and South America... how did that work out? Were still here to tell our stories, millions of natives are not and their lands are repopulated. Stop downplaying that.

So let me get this right. They traded with each other way before the 1800s, remember slaves came from different parts of Africa, but you're telling me they couldn't communicate with each other when it came to preserving their land from a man who looked nothing like them? Ok!

You do realize this shyt happened over centuries, not months right?

The islands of the west are no match to Africa in size. The natives of north America fought back, and preserved some of their land, get checks from the government to this day, and north America is nothing compared to Africa. South Americans got conquered because they accepted Catholicism, and didn't fight back

 

[T'krm]

May this forever be a reminder of what happens when you're not united. You have to unite against a common enemy. Not war with each other even more. Not sell your people to the common enemy. The whole world was coming to destroy our ancestors, and they couldn't squash their beefs to fight the common enemy.