Africa a little 100 years ago.

[Ya?]

Vietnam didn't have the power of the us military, but they United, used the environment to their advantage, and ran us out of there

Whites didn't know the African environment nor be able to survive it without help from other
Africans.

The truth is the truth, but because we dont want to admit we had, and still do, too many weak selfish people, the bullshyt continues to this day with black people all over the world. We ain't gonna ever advance until we wipe that trait out of our genes!

White people were the same way until they traveled the world, and saw they were the minority. They put their issues aside, and went on to conquer.

Truth.

Too many Africans leaders were short sighted read the accounts of Nzingah of modern day Angola and how she fought the Portuguese and tried to unite the tribes but the male leaders were too caught up not wanting to be led by a woman cloud their judgment that the Portuguese with whom they traded wasn’t going to pull the wool over their eyes. She held strong but when she died the Region became a free for all.

There were tribal chiefs who saw the forest from the trees but were either outnumbered or had a Judas among their midst. Some made a killing out of selling slaves and became wealthy merchants of the trade.

What killed me were some kings/chiefs marrying their daughters off to brits/French/Portuguese soldiers as some kind of peace treaty or act of goodwill but they really used them to have mixed sons who would end up playing double agents and had white wives back home.

Africans messed up in many ways and are in part to blame for what ensued.

 

[Ya?]

People were being kidnapped and sold to non-blacks in every part of the continent. This weakened the continent, even though not every nation participated. It made colonization much easier.

Not to mention the psychological trauma and the screwed reputation that has built for people of African descent around world that we are still fighting against.

The negative connotation of Black people sprang from the view that we are human merchandise/commodity/inhuman, disposable and can be treated anyhow. The idea that we have a high pain tolerance and that our lives don’t matter as much as other stems from what took place centuries before as well as what took place during the Atlantic slave trade and the Arab slave trade.

Had tribal chiefs peeped game early, they wold have substituted the trade of human to actual product and we would have been talking about African countries like we speak of Japan and China today.

The past informs the present, hence why studying history is so vital.

 

[Ya?]

Humans have been on this plant for hundreds of thousands of years. Groups are conquered and become conqueors and so on and so on. Africa was colonised for less than 100 years and supposed black people on this site think it's because the white man is so smart and Africans are too dumb and divisive

Yes, Africa was colonised for 100 years out of it's 100,000 year history. So what.

We are having much more complex conversations than that you are not offering much in this post. History is complex and cannot be nearly tied in a bow, if you expect to read White people are evil incarnate and blacks are perfect angels than his thread and history isn’t for you.

 

[get these nets]

Vietnam didn't have the power of the us military, but they United, used the environment to their advantage, and ran us out of there

Whites didn't know the African environment nor be able to survive it without help from other
Africans.

The truth is the truth, but because we dont want to admit we had, and still do, too many weak selfish people, the bullshyt continues to this day with black people all over the world. We ain't gonna ever advance until we wipe that trait out of our genes!

White people were the same way until they traveled the world, and saw they were the minority. They put their issues aside, and went on to conquer.

I get what your overall point is, but you're making an oversimplification regarding Vietnam.
It wasn't just will and guerilla tactics used by the VCs. They were also backed and supplied with arms by the Soviets and China.

Euros had maps and surveys of interior Africa before colonization kicked off. Missionaries,merchants and explorers were taking notes for years. Like I wrote earlier in the thread, the development of quinine removed the major barrier Euros had from venturing into the interior of parts of the continent.

When Euros came in , local people and armies fought them, but the Euros had superior technology and had intel abut geography, tensions between groups,etc,etc.

 

[Ya?]

"In Europe during the Medieval times the only recognised religion was Christianity, in the form of the Catholic religion. The lives of the Medieval people of the Middle Ages was dominated by the church. From birth to death, whether a peasant, a serf, a noble a lord or a King - life was dominated by the church and Medieval religion."

Medieval Religion

It was pretty hard if not impossible to find a European person who wasn't Christian back then. Meanwhile, it was very easy to find African people to enslave. To me, it's clear that European leaders didn't want their people to be sold to outsiders. They didn't mind if they were sold to other Europeans.
There was nothing in Africa that unified most black people. I understand some African leaders took measures to stop slavery, but 20 million people got sold to outsiders with disastrous effects.

That’s not completely true Europe had still holdovers from their pagan beliefs days. However Christianity dominated as an institution because of the power it exerted over kingdoms in legitimizing kings.

Europe in my view did not spread Christianity even among themselves for spirituality purposes but more so as an exercise of power over the masses.

Hence why the concept of organized religion came from. Africans on the other hand, were more inclined to view spiritual as an individual exercise/personal. Religion/spirituality as an institution was a foreign concept adopted from Europeans which is the mess that you see among Black people today with fake preachers and those taking up preaching as a hustle and churches sprouting like weeds in lake neighborhoods rather than true spiritual journey.

 

[Ya?]

Dude.. Africa is a continent,...... not a country...

Still holds true even within common regions their were dissent or Kingdoms.

 

[ApolloStark]

Carry on brothas. This is a dope thread, thought I knew my stuff but I'm learning things I didn't know here

As you were.

 

[Ya?]

I get what your overall point is, but you're making an oversimplification regarding Vietnam.
It wasn't just will and guerilla tactics used by the VCs. They were also backed and supplied with arms by the Soviets and China.

Euros had maps and surveys of interior Africa before colonization kicked off. Missionaries,merchants and explorers were taking notes for years. Like I wrote earlier in the thread, the development of quinine removed the major barrier Euros had from venturing into the interior of parts of the continent.

When Euros came in , local people and armies fought them, but the Euros had superior technology and had intel abut geography, tensions between groups,etc,etc.

That’s true.

Many of Europe’s great minds studied the continent and its people. However, none of this could have been achieved without the consent of the kings/chiefs, many of these chiefs had to give them immunity for safe passage within their kingdoms hence why many began trying to obtain favour by bringing gifts and coming in as traders.

They could not have studied without African help. European weaponry may have been more advanced technically but being in home turf trumps that. Many of these same people married African women in part to get their socks off but also to create intimate relationship to learn the people and also create hybrid children they could use and indoctrinate.

Weaponry was actually not what set the stage for Europeans it’s the buildup and what they did centuries before, the guns were cherry on top.

 

[NoirDynosaur]

Interesting add. Just want to some important points.

Civilizations such as Ancient NOK, Wagadu ("Ghana"), Ancient Kush, Kemet and Punt ("Somalia") traded primary goods.

Horses from NOK, Gold from Wagadu and Camels from Somalia were being in exchange of natural resources that would benefit each of them. ()

Ancient Kemet stands out because it was a melting pot civilization that consisted of various ethnicities. Nilotics, Pygmies, Khoisan and Bantu. The Afar group of Ethiopia are credited with naming the continent as Afu-raka.

In fact, most modern Afrikan languages originate from the Medu Neter. Kemet/ Egyptah.

The word "KMT" means "land of the blacks". For those that want to know about "black unity" (Km (hieroglyph) - Wikipedia).

Religions such as Islam played a major role in slave-raiding in West Afrika and East Afrika. Read about the Arab Slave Trade.

Islam become the dominant force in West Afrika by the 14th century. The Fulbe (Fulani) were among the first in West Afrika to accept the religion due to their role as being traveling merchants.

The Fulbe led several Islamic jihadist expansions such as the Sokoto Caliphate and Tukulor. However, the Fulbe such as Wodaabe kept to their pre-Islamic beliefs!
()

In fact, there was tension cause of Islam. King Sunny Ali of the Songhai dynasty defeated the Muslim Keita dynasty of Mali before ruling.

King Sunny Ali wanted to unite West Afrika to prevent the Portuguese who at the time were starting to conquer little by little.

He put restrictions of Islam practices and promoted indigneous Afrikan spirituality as a path of strength for the empire.

Unfortunately, in Songhai oral history, he was killed by his sister's son who was a devout muslim ().

The main reason why Cacs took over is because of weaponery, greed and religion.

Certain leaders converted to Christianity to *appease* the guest. This would eventually back fire.

The problems with modern Afrika is
1.) Mental colonialism
2.) Economic Colonialism
3.)Spiritual Colonialism.

Mental colonization because of arguments consisting arbitrary borders ("nationalism vs nationalism"). Lack of history of pre-Imperial age. Religions picturing black skin as "cursed" and "evil". Read about how Christianity started anti-blackness.

Tackle one and the rest will crumble like dominoes.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

whites curved up this entire world

other groups were just able to roll with those punch's better..

Better? England was in India far longer than they could keep their grip on Africa. Places like Philippines where everyone had a turn gang banging the country.

C'mon son. Muthafuking China being strung out on opium? Hong Kong being a colony until the late 90's

You mean far more complacent

 

[Sukairain]

They were trading muskets etc. Look at the dates on that map....cacs had Maxim guns. That's throw the damn towel shyt

There's a reason why colonisation on a mass scale happened towards the end of the 19th Century despite Africans and Europeans being in contact/trading for hundreds of years prior. The balance of power changed rapidly with the industrial revolution. Japan saw what was going down and industrialised expeditiously.

Yeah, the weapons technology Europeans developed after the 1860s made it a wrap. Before then you could still beat a European army equipped with the most up-to-date artillery and gunpowder weapons, with an all melee army, because the firing rate was so slow that if you closed in quickly and engaged in melee you had a chance of winning.

At Waterloo for example the British rifles fired at a rate of one, at best two rounds a minute; and I can't imagine that Napoleon's rifles fired any faster than that, or else he would have won the battle. Against armies like that, you move in fast enough and they're only going to be able to pull off a couple of volleys, which will cost you a few thousand men (meaning you need to significantly outnumber them). But if you withstand that initial shock the advantage is yours. They can't reload if their lines are engaged in hand-to-hand combat, and even if they brought forward a reserve line they'd have a hard time firing effectively, what with your troops all mixed up together with theirs. Without the guns they're not up to much; you're dealing with troops and formations that aren't equipped to fight in melee.

But once they developed automatic weapons and also started putting engine-powered vehicles into the field, their weapons system became so advanced that you could only compete with them if you had an equal weapons system.

 

[Ya?]

Yeah, the weapons technology Europeans developed after the 1860s made it a wrap. Before then you could still beat a European army equipped with the most up-to-date artillery and gunpowder weapons, with an all melee army, because the firing rate was so slow that if you closed in quickly and engaged in melee you had a chance of winning.

At Waterloo for example the British rifles fired at a rate of one, at best two rounds a minute; and I can't imagine that Napoleon's rifles fired any faster than that, or else he would have won the battle. Against armies like that, you move in fast enough and they're only going to be able to pull off a couple of volleys, which will cost you a few thousand men (meaning you need to significantly outnumber them). But if you withstand that initial shock the advantage is yours. They can't reload if their lines are engaged in hand-to-hand combat, and even if they brought forward a reserve line they'd have a hard time firing effectively, what with your troops all mixed up together with theirs. Without the guns they're not up to much; you're dealing with troops and formations that aren't equipped to fight in melee.

But once they developed automatic weapons and also started putting engine-powered vehicles into the field, their weapons system became so advanced that you could only compete with them if you had an equal weapons system.

Interesting technical knowledge, I still don’t think that was solely the reason why Africa lost.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Interesting technical knowledge, I still don’t think that was solely the reason why Africa lost.

It pretty much is... out gunned

at that point the only fair fights had were the ones waged in the remote jungles, guerilla warfare. in the open we couldn't compete with machine guns

 

[ApolloStark]

Anybody read this?

Written by a white man of course but been sitting on my bookcase for the longest so was thinking to give it a read...

 

[DJK]

Most black Africans were situated under the Saharan desert by the time whites started demanding slaves. Sub-saharan Africa measures around 21 million km. Not saying everyone needs to be kumbaya or whatever, but when an enemy shows up that hates all of you, it's in your best interest to team up. All Africa had to do was not sell their neighbors to men from far away lands that only wanted a black slave.

Using the term "sub-saharan" is almost always a dead giveaway for the Skip Gates agenda