Africa a little 100 years ago.

[Field Marshall Bradley]

May this forever be a reminder of what happens when you're not united. You have to unite against a common enemy. Not war with each other even more. Not sell your people to the common enemy. The whole world was coming to destroy our ancestors, and they couldn't squash their beefs to fight the common enemy.

Dude.. Africa is a continent,...... not a country...

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I'm talking about racial unity. If we had that, I don't believe we would have sold each other into slavery, which set the stage for colonization. Every group of people has their beefs, but you set aside beefs when there's a common enemy trying to destroy both of you.

Is there a such thing as race in Africa? That's really a European concept for the most part

 

[get these nets]

Compare the legacy of '"slavery" in Africa vs the Americas then.

You're trivializing the death and torture of people's ancestors, including yours.
More human beings DIED in the Belgian Congo during the first 40 years of colonization than were shipped to the Americas during the centuries of the transatlantic slave trade.

 

[null]

You're trivializing the death and torture of people's ancestors, including yours.
More human beings DIED in the Belgian Congo during the first 40 years of colonization than were shipped to the Americas during the centuries of the transatlantic slave trade.

There is nothing "trivializing" in what I said.

What about the conditional form "IF P then Q" do you not understand?

OP said P, I said if P then at least do Q.

Too many dummies around here .

You said I was trivializing, so make your point. What in what I said trivialized anything ?

 

[Blackrogue]

Can you imagine Africans speaking German in Kenya?

Arbitrary borders, but it is what it is.

Now they are working on an African Union....for good or bad.

Kenya was a British colony. Tanzania was German. They stuck to their heavy swahili. Funny enough at the south coast of Kenya bordering Tanzania. More Germans are there in diani and down. More Italians are in malindi and up which was closer to their shenanigans with colonies more north along the same coast. Brits stuck in the middle. They still don't fukk with each other.

 

[Blackrogue]

How did we not have guns if we were selling black people in exchange for guns since the 1600s? That's 300 years of trading people for guns before the scramble for Africa. I mean, what the hell?

So you think all that trading would have gotten enough guns to fight of oppressors who colluded to divide the continent among lines people weren't familiar with.? Different tribes spoke different languages and stuck to their area. All of a sudden borders are drawn. Some of your people thrown into the neighborhood countries if you are on the border.

Resistances were launched and met with brutality. Africa was fighting for its freedom slightly more than 50 years ago. That's most of our parents lifetime.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

"In Europe during the Medieval times the only recognised religion was Christianity, in the form of the Catholic religion. The lives of the Medieval people of the Middle Ages was dominated by the church. From birth to death, whether a peasant, a serf, a noble a lord or a King - life was dominated by the church and Medieval religion."

Medieval Religion

It was pretty hard if not impossible to find a European person who wasn't Christian back then. Meanwhile, it was very easy to find African people to enslave. To me, it's clear that European leaders didn't want their people to be sold to outsiders. They didn't mind if they were sold to other Europeans.
There was nothing in Africa that unified most black people. I understand some African leaders took measures to stop slavery, but 20 million people got sold to outsiders with disastrous effects.

Medieval period lasted to the XVth century. That's not the period we're talking about.
And the full quote of the link you provided says:

Disputes of the Crusades led to the split between the Eastern and Western Christian Churches, called the Great Schism of 1054. The practises of the Catholic religion were questioned and the beliefs of men such as Martin Luther (1483 - 1546) prompted a new religion called Protestantism which led to a further split in the Christian Church referred to as the Protestant Reformation.

which is part of what I referred to when I said Europe was not united in religion. These splits led to numerous wars and conflicts amongst Europeans and atrocities committed against each other.

That "in the form of Catholic religion" is important, as well as "recognized", because that doesn't mean that other cults and beliefs didn't exist, but that they were forbidden by law.

It was far from impossible to find non-Christian Europeans: History of European Jews in the Middle Ages - Wikipedia
Islam in Europe - Wikipedia
And again, the question is not even about Christian Europeans, but the subdivisions that exist in Christianity and allowed Christian Europeans to fight, kill, exile etc. each other.

I don't see your point in claiming that Europeans didn't care to sell each other between each other, but not to non-Europeans. Besides the Moors, non-Europeans didn't care much for European slaves to the point a large-scale trade would have worked. The quasi-absence of demand doesn't imply that Europeans would have been opposed to it. History shows the contrary given that they committed all the atrocities possible to each others.

Idk where you're going with this.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Nobody did

Just like today, technology in the battlefield always wins. They had ships, guns, cannons, horses, and armies... We had knowledge of the land and stronger warriors, but it wasn't hand to hand combat.

Gunpowder changed the world more than the internet did

 

[cole phelps]

whites curved up this entire world

other groups were just able to roll with those punch's better..

Maybe east asia but the native Americans/mestizos ,middle easterns, and aboriginals?....

 

[Sbp]

The Root section has great discussions about history. That section is moderated and has a no BS section, so the derailers and trolls don't ruin most of it.
As far as the topic of colonization, this is what I would recommend.

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This discussions in the Root are full of links, articles, and book recommendations based on what the topic being discussed is. Peace and enjoy.

Props bro

 

[Astroslik]

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[Red Shield]

Maybe east asia but the native Americans/mestizos ,middle easterns, and aboriginals?....

I said other groups.. I didn't say all other groups

there are folks who got it hit far worse then us

 

[ALonelyDad]

Liberia was founded by redbone African-American c00ns and cacs. They proceeded to fukk up the indigenous people for 100 years.

people should read about Firestone and US influence on Liberia

 

[Swagaveli]

They were trading muskets etc. Look at the dates on that map....cacs had Maxim guns. That's throw the damn towel shyt

There's a reason why colonisation on a mass scale happened towards the end of the 19th Century despite Africans and Europeans being in contact/trading for hundreds of years prior. The balance of power changed rapidly with the industrial revolution. Japan saw what was going down and industrialised expeditiously.

Bro the industrial revolution could not have taken place at all, if it wasnt for cacs running around on a world tour stealing and pillaging resources and wealth for centuries running up to the 19th century.

Fact is, if main Euro countries hadnt started their grand theft global tour soon after the plague had killed off the majority of them, Europe would not have evolved from the barbarian, celt and gallian lifestyles of living one step away from the caves and killing each other.

Europe would have actually been headed towards extintion post the plague, let alone surviving the dark ages, where as black and brown societies were flourishing and centuries ahead of cacs. Only reason Euros went on a rampage and beefef up on fire power was that they had no natural resources and were crumbling away and steady torn by their tribal wars. That neanderthal blood hits different cuh

 

[Ya?]

It wouldn't have made a difference. They didn't have guns.

Not true, knowing your environment exceeded having guns, especially since these guns were not as effective as modern ones.

what killed Africans is the fact that tribes conspired with euros. They made themselves vulnerable and many did not proceed with caution enough, they had more animosity toward they enemy that they knew rather than those that ended up on their shores and were completely foreign to them.

This manifest itself still today with black people all over the continent and the diaspora still today. It’s an uphill battle fighting this ingrained mindset within us which was solidified in the past.