Africa
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mbewane
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I agree with the second part of your post (that's my whole point) but about that first part:
- are you saying that people who were born, raised and lived their whole life in Africa are not "Africans"? Why exactly?
- if you answered yes, then do you also consider that AAs are not "American"? or that white Australians are not "Australians"?
- who do you consider "Africans"?
I would be likehoping for some shyt like this to happen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2oymHHyV1M
1. Yes, the same way us Africans can be raised in Europe our entire lives but we're still not considered European,or Africans who've lived in Asia their whole lives are not considered Asians, but Africans who live in Asia.
2. I will say if you consider the white people in this country American, then AA's are American. They've been here in America just as long, and even longer
3. I consider black people(or Arabs from North Africa) who were born in an African nation, or immigrated on their own free will africans
I do think that the diaspora have their place here in Africa, if they feel connected to it.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Interesting answers breh, i'll say this...
1. I think we already had this discussion in another thread (might be wrong), in which you said that Africans in Europe said they do not consider themselves "European" and I found that crazy because, well, they were born/raised in Europe. I think some may confuse "European" with "White". I personnaly know various black (or mixed) Africans who fully consider themselves Europeans because this is where they were born or raised or currently live. Now do some White europeans have a problem with that? Yes, but they/I don't care. (can't really speak for Asia, never been there and don't know anyone who has). (And before the coli afrocentrists use the "c00n" card, be aware that one can have multiple identities).
2. Actually it's the same situation, but I worded it wrong: why should Black AND White Americans be considered "Americans" when WE ALL KNOW that the only true "Americans" are the Natives? If one refuses to call an African of Indian descent (you should go to Madagascar, it's amazing) an "African", by the same logic he should refuse to call a White or BLack American "American".
3. It seems that you have a racial approach to who is African or not? Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly, but this sounds a lot like the german "right of blood" (my own translation from french -droit du sang-) in which a German was someone who was born of German parents. I personnaly go by the republican "right of ground" (-droit du sol-) in which, for example, is French whoever is born in France and chooses to be French, regardless of ethnicity. This is what is used in most modern democracies. For example, I have a very good white friend who was born in Central Africa and has lived there his whole life, the only way you could tell him that he's NOT african would be by relying on a racial factor.
Alright, I see where you're coming from, and you aren't wrong. But as you said I seem to be going by the bolded. The racial factor is important to me though man, not on some militant racist shyt but I think we need to keep those other races at an arms length. Alot of them don't have Africa's best interests in their heart.
Madagascar huh?
I gotta be in Nigeria for a week this summer, I'll look into stopping by
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Alright, I see where you're coming from, and you aren't wrong. But as you said I seem to be going by the bolded. The racial factor is important to me though man, not on some militant racist shyt but I think we need to keep those other races at an arms length. Alot of them don't have Africa's best interests in their heart.
Madagascar huh?
I understand your POV, but I can't really agree with it because it's very close to the line of reasoning used by extreme-right and nationalist parties in France, Belgium (Flanders) and Italy to keep non-white europeans marginalized. And of course as a guy in the middle (I'm mixed), I just can't agree on any opinion based on race.
I agree that Africa must be cautious in opening too much, and I too favor "internal" development as opposed to opening too much to non-Africans, but I'm extremely cautious about using the "race" factor, in either direction. Because even if we favor "Black" entrepreneurs, who says that a Black Brazilian has Africa's best interest at heart?
I think that you may be aiming at a healthy dose of "nationalism" (really "patriotism") and "protectionism", which in itself doesn't necessarily have to be based on "race" (US, France, GB). That I can def agree with, after all that's how all developed countries got where they are now.
Madagascar is crazy breh, a mix of people of oriental, indian and black descent, of course as an island they always feel kind of "apart" (like GB in Europe) but it's really a nice place and the scenery is amazing. It's nowhere near Nigeria tho...unfortunately they've been going through a long political crisis, unresolved I believe
99% of them dont consider themselves africans anyway.
EQ.
Mansur Brown - "Heiwa"
It was literally a hit and run
Literally "Buck em down"
Black Moon gets plays in the serengeti breh
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Black Moon gets plays in the serengeti breh
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*subs*
powerful thread indeed!
powerful thread indeed!
FluffyCorleone
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That's right. Ignore the contents of my post and comment on my username. You're smart.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Need neither... They been there for generations and still don't mingle freely or embrace natives. Some do but they are few and far between.
Eko Atlantic to welcome pioneer residents in 20 months – Developers
I'll make an actual thread on this project in a year or so
On March 26, 2013 · In Homes & Property
By Kingsley Adegboye
The first set of residential buildings at Eko Atlantic City would be occupied in the next 20 months. Eko Atlantic City is a 10 million square meters self sustaining city located beside the popular Lagos Bar Beach along Ahmadu Bello Way, Victoria Island.
Already, some investors in the multi-billion dollar city which was reclaimed from the Atlantic Ocean and officially flagged off last month by President Goodluck Jonathan, have completed piling works awaiting the actual construction which is expected to commence in the next two months.
The Managing Director, South Energy X Nigeria Limited, Mr. David Frame told the visiting President of Republic of Lebanon, Mr. Michel Suleiman, that the company has sand-filled over 50 per cent of the entire city. Similarly, out of a total of eight and half kilometres of sea walls, company has done three and half kilometres’’.
Artist's impression of Eko Atlantic City
On funding, Mr. Frame said: ‘’All I can say in terms of funding of the project is that we have spent a substantial amount of money. We have paid back the money which was sourced from local banks in Nigeria while investors have purchased almost all the plots of land in phases one and two’’.
According to him, the total number of plots in phase one is 2, 400,000 square metres, while the total number of plots in phase two is about two million square metres. He pointed out that there are only seven plots unsold in phases one. ‘’In terms of infrastructure in the city, we are generating and distributing power with all the cables underground. We are putting in place water supply and sewage as well as water treatment plant schemes.
‘’ We will have an extension of network of fabroitic cables for active services. Construction of buildings has already started with the piling before foundations almost completed by some investors. The construction of super structures will start in a month or two from now. It is eighteen months project. In other words, in a question of two years from now, the first set of houses would have been completed and occupied’’. South Energyx boss noted.
Explaining that the city would be developed in six phases, Mr. Frame said phases one to five will comprise mostly residential and commercial areas, the sixth phase will be dedicated to all the utilities in the city such as power generating house, sewage and treatment plant house.
One of the investors who has commenced work at the site is Eko Pearl Nig. Ltd. The company is constructing Eko Pearl which is a 24-storey residential tower located on the habour front of the city.
According to the investor, residents of the luxury tower will enjoy uninterrupted views of the water as they take in the endless breeze from the ocean. In addition to living in the newest prime area of Lagos, residents, he said, will enjoy first class infrastructure facilities.
The Lebanese President was on tour of Africa with focus on West Africa. According to Frame: “He is here to see what we are doing with regard to the construction of Eko Atlantic City. He is here to celebrate with us for embarking on a project of this magnitude. Basically, he is very happy to visit Africa because to him, Africa is head of operations for Lebanon.
‘As you are aware, there are many Lebanese expatriates working in Nigeria. So, it is an opportunity for the president to visit Nigeria to see the multi-billion dollars project being developed by South Energyx Nigeria Limited, a company owned by the Chagouri brothers who are citizens of Lebanon. He is very impressed about what he has seen. He said he is looking forward to when the project will be executed.”
I'll make an actual thread on this project in a year or so
But Peter Tosh said ''as long as you're a black man you're an African and I agree with him. African Americans and their $ are very much welcome in Africa, they were forced out of Africa they didn't choose to migrate.
Especially their dollars.
