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mbewane
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But Peter Tosh said ''as long as you're a black man you're an African and I agree with him. African Americans and their $ are very much welcome in Africa, they were forced out of Africa they didn't choose to migrate.
Especially their dollars.
Well he was a Jamaican and a rastafari, so of course he would say that. I don't know many Africans who say that though (there might be some, but I haven't maet/heard of any).
$ is welcome everywhere, from anyone.
Look, I'm not saying don't go there, I'm saying don't act like it's your place to run. we all know the story and we're all sorry for it, but you don't see white americans go back to Hungary or wherever in Europe on some "I'm home brehs"
Imyremeshaw
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Well he was a Jamaican and a rastafari, so of course he would say that. I don't know many Africans who say that though (there might be some, but I haven't maet/heard of any).
$ is welcome everywhere, from anyone.
Look, I'm not saying don't go there, I'm saying don't act like it's your place to run. we all know the story and we're all sorry for it, but you don't see white americans go back to Hungary or wherever in Europe on some "I'm home brehs"
I'll agree that most Africans won't say that, but thats the reality. I consider black people in the diaspora more African than I do Arabs, Chinese, or Indians that are born and raised in Africa.
mbewane
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So your "reality" trumps what most Africans would say? I guess you know better than them then.
Listen, if you want to say that Gucci Mane (who probably has no idea where Burkina Faso or Botswana are) is more African than André Brink (South African writer, whose early work was banned because it was anti-apartheid), Mo Ibrahim (Arab Sudanese Business man and one of the richest persons on the continent) or countless others, you're free to believe what you want.
What about White people born and raised in America? Do you consider them Europeans or Americans?
Imyremeshaw
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First off you barking up the wrong tree, I am African(Moroccan to be exact). African-American are as American as apple pie, but that doesn't make them have any less claim to Africa, because there skin shows it. To be truthful, after being in America and Europe for a while, who is to say us Africans mentality is correct, we fight between ourselves for some stupidiest shyt. Yes, as African I can tell difference between Fulani, Hausa, or Igbo, but to every other race around the world we are nikkas, the same problems that plague black people in motherland, plague our people abroad.
mbewane
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Interesting, most Moroccans I know (from Belgium) would spit in my face if I said they were "Africans", they call themselves "Arabs". I know some use this arabic (I guess) word that means "Black" but also..."Slave" to talk about Sub-Saharean Africans.
Listen, I've already had this conversation with someone else on this board, and you're basically baisng your opinion on race. As you say, Black Americans should have a claim on Africa because they're Black. That's like saying that White Americans should have a claim on Europe because they're white.
Even worse, imo, is that you say that they should have that claim regardless of what the first concerned, Africans, actually think about it. I've lived 8 years in Central African Republic, been to Madagscar and Mali, know people from Senegal, Ivory Coast, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, DRC, Rwanda, South Africa, and I've NEVER heard ONE African say Black Americans are Africans or have a natural claim on Africa. Not one. A hint as to why: Europeans, Arabs and now Chinese have been treating Africa as their backyard for the longest, and some more melanin in your skin doesn't mean you're my brother. shyt it's mostly black people killing other black people in Africa (and in the US) today. Why would I trust Devante from Compton when I can't even trust Abdoulaye from Chad?
And tbh I don't see how you saying that people of Asian, Indian or European descent are not African despite being born and having lived their whole damn life in Africa is different from European Extreme-Right parties saying that no matter what sons and grandsons of immigrants do they will never be French, Belgian, Italian, German...etc.
Imyremeshaw
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Interesting, most Moroccans I know (from Belgium) would spit in my face if I said they were "Africans", they call themselves "Arabs". I know some use this arabic (I guess) word that means "Black" but also..."Slave" to talk about Sub-Saharean Africans.
Listen, I've already had this conversation with someone else on this board, and you're basically baisng your opinion on race. As you say, Black Americans should have a claim on Africa because they're Black. That's like saying that White Americans should have a claim on Europe because they're white.
Even worse, imo, is that you say that they should have that claim regardless of what the first concerned, Africans, actually think about it. I've lived 8 years in Central African Republic, been to Madagscar and Mali, know people from Senegal, Ivory Coast, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, DRC, Rwanda, South Africa, and I've NEVER heard ONE African say Black Americans are Africans or have a natural claim on Africa. Not one. A hint as to why: Europeans, Arabs and now Chinese have been treating Africa as their backyard for the longest, and some more melanin in your skin doesn't mean you're my brother. shyt it's mostly black people killing other black people in Africa (and in the US) today. Why would I trust Devante from Compton when I can't even trust Abdoulaye from Chad?
And tbh I don't see how you saying that people of Asian, Indian or European descent are not African despite being born and having lived their whole damn life in Africa is different from European Extreme-Right parties saying that no matter what sons and grandsons of immigrants do they will never be French, Belgian, Italian, German...etc.
Well you just meet a new Moroccan, Im black(berber) in the American sense of the word, so in no way would I consider myself Arab, and most Moroccans wouldn't look at me as such. The same word an Arab would you use for you "abeed (slave)" they would use for me. I agree most Africans wouldn't say African-Americans have a claim to Africa, its totally my opinion. But Ive never heard an African refer to an Indian, Arab, or Chinese as African, cause there not. And I lived in Cote D'Ivoire for a good portion of my life which had all of thee above, and the were considered parasites(which is what they are). They are not trying to improve the countries they stay in, only the pockets for themselves.
But Peter Tosh said ''as long as you're a black man you're an African and I agree with him. African Americans and their $ are very much welcome in Africa, they were forced out of Africa they didn't choose to migrate.
Especially their dollars.
Damn right!
The African continent should do as Israel did when they started bringing in other Jewish communities from all over the world to increase their numbers. In the case of Africa, bring in more diaspora blacks for money and braingain. Looking at it from a racial aspect doesn't mean the non-blacks in Africa get alienated, but rather we get to keep them honest with real competitors on their heels.
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mbewane
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Cool down breh
, don't go all Radio Mille Collines on us. Anyway I know this Algerian tuareg who gets treated like shyt in his own country until he brings out the euros he gets in Italy
Oh well, guess we can just disagree on the rest
mbewane
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Just like Israël didn't alienate Palestinians?
Yep.
Sike naw, but honestly I don't see that type of issue happening. Israeli's were looking to make up a majority and the Palestinian situation wouldn't quite apply. At worse, I could see it being like S. Africa with the xenophobia amongst natives towards foreign blacks. But at the same time, we've got Israel/Palestine to learn from anyway and with a vast continent you can get an influx of diaspora blacks goin to a multitude of places.
mbewane
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Yep.
Sike naw, but honestly I don't see that type of issue happening. Israeli's were looking to make up a majority and the Palestinian situation wouldn't quite apply. At worse, I could see it being like S. Africa with the xenophobia amongst natives towards foreign blacks. But at the same time, we've got Israel/Palestine to learn from anyway and with a vast continent you can get an influx of diaspora blacks goin to a multitude of places.
Good thing is that at least you realize that this influx (that, again, seems to be what the diaspora wants, not Africans themselves) would create issues.
I on the other hand believe these issues would be big: I doubt Americans would care about learning any local language for example, hence forcing locals to adapt to them and their culture, as opposed as Americans adapting to local culture. Especially since they would have the economical power of the dollar. I think there would be quite some issues, and it would only be a matter of time before some well-minded Americans would decide that they "know better" how to run "their" country than natives.
lol, believe me I've thought very deeply on this subject only cuz I want it to happen so badly. It wouldn't be easy by any stretch, but people with the right state of mind could make it work. Up to this point the West Indian community in Shashamane have assimilated very well, maintaining their own culture whilst picking up the local languages. But that was cuz of their mind state/religious beliefs that it worked, if the black power movement wasn't derailed by mass imprisonment and drugs then this probably would of been the end result for lots of brothers and sisters.
I think the only way this works is to bring elements of the West to a given city to help the transition and make things easier. But at the same time, if diaspora blacks aren't willing to immerse themselves in the local culture and if the local community isn't willing to accept the outsiders or feel threatened then it becomes a problem. At this point, it's like crossing a gorge with no bridge. That's why our generation has to build that bridge so that by the time we pass on it's a much different, much more improved Africa from before. My dream is cities with all demographics of blacks from Brazilians to Haitians to Americans living amongst Africans and rebuilding the continent so all our people can prosper and bring real equality to this world and not the token bullshyt that's always talked about.
mbewane
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Props for actually thinking about it beyond the "I'm going back home brehs
" bs I've personnaly heard different about the integration of West Indians in Shashamane, but I've never been there so I'll leave it at that.
Anyway how do you search your own past posts lol because I adressed this thing in some thread (might be earlier in this one) where basically I was saying the same, if people go with the right mindstate (understanding that they are migrants like other who have to adapt to the local environment for ex) than it could work over a couple of generations. However for obvious personal (I'm mixed) and historical (no need to post them all) reasons I'm EXTREMELY cautious about the "racial" approach many seem to have. It's a VERY slippery road.
Props for actually thinking about it beyond the "I'm going back home brehs
I've personnaly heard different about the integration of West Indians in Shashamane, but I've never been there so I'll leave it at that.
Anyway how do you search your own past posts lol because I adressed this thing in some thread (might be earlier in this one) where basically I was saying the same, if people go with the right mindstate (understanding that they are migrants like other who have to adapt to the local environment for ex) than it could work over a couple of generations. However for obvious personal (I'm mixed) and historical (no need to post them all) reasons I'm EXTREMELY cautious about the "racial" approach many seem to have. It's a VERY slippery road.
It wasn't all easy in Shash, I got to hear some sad stories but they've maintained their communities and went from just another person with no money or means to make it, to businesspeople and pillars of the community. Hell, you find locals talkin patois so the exchange of culture definitely happened and is a beautiful thing to see given how tough a town Shash is to begin with.
To me you can't avoid the racial aspect, since it's so sensitive to diaspora Africans of the middle passage. To me, racial pride should be taught but with the idea in mind that all of us are a part of the same global family. The pride should go no further than the accomplishments of all our people, the survival of those Africans stolen from here, etc. But beyond that, superiority should never be preached. Plus, the less homogeneous the society the better so even beyond native Africans and diaspora Africans there should be people of other races to really bolster the culture and brain gain. Brain gain to me is the ultimate goal in this, native Africans are better taught foreign languages and the world outside of Africa while long lost Africans get to reacquaint themselves with their roots.