After Reading 'Wilt, 1962' And Seeing This Stat Sheet...He's Top 5 All Time

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Wilt is the best center alltime.

You can't have Kareem in your top 5/top 10 and not have Wilt.

Its statistical PROOF showing you that old man past him prime soon to retire Wilt used to give Kareem that work, just imagine if it was prime Wilt :ohlawd:
 

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@Newzz you aint slick, this argument has already been had in a different thread

:comeon:
 

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Wilt played against smaller big men in the 60s and it's a fact. I will list names, height, and weight, and you tell me why somebody like Shaq wouldnt murder these undersized "big" men as well.

I went back and viewed EVERY All-Star Team of the 60s....both East and West to get an idea of Wilt's "elite" competition he had to face (who cares about the bums that were tall and untalented, unless you dont mind me mentioning people like Hasheem Thabeet, Keith Closs, Priest Lauderdale as competition for today's big men).

Every All-Star Big Man of the 60's (Wilt's Prime and where he gets his dominant stats from):

Walter Dukes was 7'0 220 lbs
Walt Bellamy was 6'11 225 lbs
Nate Thurmond was 6'11 225 lbs
Darrall Imhoff was 6'10 220 lbs
Clyde Lee was 6'10 205 lbs
Luke Jackson was 6'9 240 lbs
Elvin Hayes was 6'9 235 lbs
Willis Reed was 6'9 235 lbs
Clyde Lovellette was 6'9 234 lbs
Red Kerr was 6'9 230 lbs
Zelmo Beaty was 6'9 225 lbs
Bill Russell was 6'9 215 lbs
Bob Pettit was 6'9 205 lbs
Wayne Embry was 6'8 240 lbs
Len Chappell was 6'8 240 lbs
Wes Unseld was 6'7 245 lbs
Rudy LaRusso was 6'7 220 lbs
Tom Heinsohn was 6'7 218 lbs
Dolph Schayes was 6'7 195 lbs
Gus Johnson was 6'6 230 lbs
Bill Bridges was 6'6 228 lbs
Willie Naulls was 6'6 225 lbs
Billy Cunningham was 6'6 210 lbs
Johnny Green was 6'5 200 lbs


Sohh.........the average All-Star big man of the 60s was only 6'8 and 224 lbs going against Wilt Chamberlain who stood 7'1 275 lbs :comeon:


The average Elite big man of the 60s guarding Wilt was the size of Joe Johnson:snoop:


Really breh? Really? I'm throwing Joe Johnson out there at Center now?:usure:


Joe Johnson is stopping Shaquille O'Neal in the post now?:huhldup:



Am I being :troll:ed?




And even if you wanna say that's their heights without shoes.....Wilt would STILL have a 5 inch height advantage on them, because he would've been measured without shoes as well:damn:




#LWO

:laff: @ 6'5" centers. God the 60s were a joke. :laff:
 

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:laff: @ 6'5" centers. God the 60s were a joke. :laff:
But...there are 6'5 - 6'8 centers NOW. So is this era a joke too?
Again, the league-average height ... for 25+ years ... has been 6'7.

Do your homework a lil some'n before you start chuckling. Nate Thurmond, Artis Gilmore, Wes Unseld and Walt Bellamy were no joke at all. There are players you admire now that someone yeeeeeears younger than you will say are a "joke" because they are prisoners of the moment. Examine some context and then get back.
 

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But...there are 6'5 - 6'8 centers NOW. So is this era a joke too?
Again, the league-average height ... for 25+ years ... has been 6'7.

Do your homework a lil some'n before you start chuckling. Nate Thurmond, Artis Gilmore, Wes Unseld and Walt Bellamy were no joke at all. There are players you admire now that someone yeeeeeears younger than you will say are a "joke" because they are prisoners of the moment. Examine some context and then get back.

Are you shytting me right now? :laff: What 6'5"-6'7" All Star center is in the NBA now? :laff:
 

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But...there are 6'5 - 6'8 centers NOW. So is this era a joke too?
Again, the league-average height ... for 25+ years ... has been 6'7.

Do your homework a lil some'n before you start chuckling. Nate Thurmond, Artis Gilmore, Wes Unseld and Walt Bellamy were no joke at all. There are players you admire now that someone yeeeeeears younger than you will say are a "joke" because they are prisoners of the moment. Examine some context and then get back.
There weren't 6-5 centers in Wilt's era, that information is straight up wrong. Shortest centers in Wilt's era were Wes Unseld who was 6-7.5 w/o shoes (but a solid 245-265lbs), and during the '72 season when Willis Reed got injured Jerry Lucas, who is also 6-7.5 had to fill in at center but Lucas had been a forward prior to that, and once Reed got healthy again he rotated back into center and Lucas back to PF. These "6-5" centers listed on bball reference are wrong, guys like Johnny Green etc never played center in the NBA, they were centers in college. Basketball reference is not an accurate tool for assessing player size or player position because players who haven't played for 20, 30, 40, or 50 years often have 1 source for their data... a COLLEGE roster sheet. Also, the people posting grainy b/w pics of NCAA photos from the 50's are also being misleading. Nothing but petty trolling, nothing to see here really.
 

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Are you shytting me right now? :laff: What 6'5"-6'7" All Star center is in the NBA now? :laff:
I didn't say there were All-Star centers at that height now. I said there were centers. Chuck Hayes played for Houston and that dude is 6'6 in sneakers. If your point was that there were 6'5 centers in the 60s, it's a false one and not one to base a :troll: joke on. Read through the thread at LEAST before you come in with smileys and giggle-faces. You can't laugh away facts because they don't fit what knowledge you lack.
 

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According to trolls, Lebron James, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard should all be bigger than the centers Wilt faced, right?

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Is the average All-Star big man of the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and current day 6'8 like they were when Wilt played? Nope, they arent. The last 6'8 PF or Center to even make an All-Star is team is probably Dennis Rodman.

Olajuwon didnt become the Dream by dominating people Dennis Rodman's size like Wilt did. He dominated legit 7'0 HOF skilled big men.

The tallest All-Star player of Wilt's dominance era was Walter Dukes at 7'0 220 lbs and he was a 10 point-11 rebound per game career man who shot 36.9% from the field for his career:yeshrug:



Dudes be bringing up Nate Thurmond (who was 6'11 225 like Kevin Garnett:comeon: ) as a "look what Wilt did against him".

Nate Thurmond was a 15 ppg scorer on 42.1% from the field as a big man for his career.......and he's a HOFer for playing in that era with those garbage numbers:scusthov:



I'm not impressed brehs. Wilt had amazing stats, but he played inferior competition, bottomline:manny:

Nate was only 225? Rookie mistake, you depend on bball reference... which uses old NCAA data. Thurmond was about 240-250, Tyson Chandlers size. And since his 6-11 list height is likely derived from his w/o shoes height, that also makes him Tyson Chandlers height. Yeah, this guy isn't intimidating at all.

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Why weren't all players' rebounding and scoring similarly boosted then? If there were more possessions, and more rebounds to grab, why is it that Wilt was the only one was accomplishing these feats? Your argument is that his era, and the style of play, were the reasons for his success. Wouldn't those inflation numbers apply to ALL the scorers and rebounders then? :wtb:


You ever seen Elgin Baylor's rebound numbers breh as a 6'5 SF?:rudy:


EVRYONE'S rebounding numbers were inflated back then
 

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@Newzz you aint slick, this argument has already been had in a different thread

:comeon:


:salute:


I know breh, I said I was gonna bring out my old arguments in my original post. We already argued these points, so I just posted it again for others to agree/disagree with.


Me, you, FTBS, mitter, dantheman, street knowledge, and sfgiants already had our "royal rumble" over this exact topic breh. My arguments arent new at all:manny:
 
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