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I ask this with full seriousness but what exactly have they done besides make arguments that are part of the public record? Where the legislation? I’ll give them advocacy and limited influence on policy shaping but when we need to see something in black and white, and not this symbolic stuff, what did they sponsor that became law of the land?
AOC has passed some smaller pieces of legislation, including a bill addressing menstrual equity in federal buildings and certain appropriations amendments. She's also been successful with some resolutions and has co-sponsored bills that became law, though typically as a secondary sponsor rather than the primary author. Some of her work on veterans' issues and small amendments to larger spending bills have made it through the legislative process.

The other Squad members have similarly modest records of major standalone legislation becoming law. Ayanna Pressley has worked on some criminal justice and health-related measures that have been incorporated into larger bills. Ilhan Omar has had some foreign policy-related amendments included in broader legislation. Rashida Tlaib has focused heavily on environmental justice and banking issues but with limited major legislative successes.

Their role has been shifting Overton Window and advocating for the voiceless.

AOC has a gray spot on Israel-Palestine. She didn't campaign on it. She was aloof about it. And has been scared to death to advocate like Rashida, Ilhan, and others have done openly.

If I saw AOC, I'd tell her to move like Andre Carson who was the 2nd Muslim elected to Congress. I have a good relationship with Andre and he is almost always on the right side of this issue since he came to Congress in 2008. Same as Keith Ellison.
 

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Did you mean @Mastamimd ? Smooth mind is a pompous, ass hole who never admits when he is wrong and who has made some of the most insane posts I’ve ever seen on here (see Arab voters being vindicated by Trump winning in 2024, a statement he made before Trump even was inaugurated) and has the mods dikk riding him which only makes him double down on his stupidity. But to each his own :yeshrug:
 

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If you think Tlaib and Omar wouldn’t be willing to wager Israeli civilian deaths if it meant the iron dome would be dismantled then I have a beach front property in Idaho to sell you :comeon:
I don't know what "wager Israeli civilian deaths" means but I think as 1st and 2nd gen immigrant Muslim women (the first two ever elected to Congress), Tlaib and Omar have a more incisive understanding of the pervasive Islamophobia and racism that enables the the US government to keep aiding and abetting the genocide of Palestinians than AOC. Libs view the lives of Palestinians/Arabs as fundamentally worth less than the lives of Israelis, and AOC's argument features the same racist logic. But she's always been a lightweight on this issue. I still remember her being steamrolled by Margaret fukkin Hoover.

The whole point of not supporting the funding of the Iron Dome is that Israel is using it to avoid bearing the full responsibility for their genocidal actions. No state that is actively committing a genocide should be given defensive support. This is really not a difficult concept to understand. Shooting down allied bombers making runs on Nazi Germany is supporting the Nazi genocide and war machine. AOC cynically castigating the only Muslim women in congress as Neo-Nazi sympathizers because she's terrified of being called an anti-semite by Zionists when she runs for President is deeply cowardly behavior. She thought she could hide behind MTG on this but she's rightfully getting folded up by just about the entire spectrum of the left/progressive commentariat.
 

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Doubling down on this dumb ass shyt and trying to reframe the criticism against her as falsely claiming she voted for the appropriations bill instead of the Iron Dome apologia she still has up on her fukking feed. Sprinkle in some good old Zionist "Everyone who is mad at me is a Nazi lover" blame deflection. Nasty work.
 

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I don't know what "wager Israeli civilian deaths" means but I think as 1st and 2nd gen immigrant Muslim women (the first two ever elected to Congress), Tlaib and Omar have a more incisive understanding of the pervasive Islamophobia and racism that enables the the US government to keep aiding and abetting the genocide of Palestinians than AOC. Libs view the lives of Palestinians/Arabs as fundamentally worth less than the lives of Israelis, and AOC's argument features the same racist logic. But she's always been a lightweight on this issue. I still remember her being steamrolled by Margaret fukkin Hoover.

The whole point of not supporting the funding of the Iron Dome is that Israel is using it to avoid bearing the full responsibility for their genocidal actions. No state that is actively committing a genocide should be given defensive support. This is really not a difficult concept to understand. Shooting down allied bombers making runs on Nazi Germany is supporting the Nazi genocide and war machine. AOC cynically castigating the only Muslim women in congress as Neo-Nazi sympathizers because she's terrified of being called an anti-semite by Zionists when she runs for President is deeply cowardly behavior. She thought she could hide behind MTG on this but she's rightfully getting folded up by just about the entire spectrum of the left/progressive commentariat.
Wager Israeli civilian deaths means they’d be ok with ending the iron dome even if they had the foresight it would lead to more Israel civilians dying.

Tlaib and Omar are racist in the same way you claim AOC is racist except they value Muslim lives more than Israeli lives.

You could even argue that Tlaib put Palestine first before the Americans being harmed by a potential Trump administration by failing to endorse Kamala.

Your Nazi analogy falls apart because if the power dynamics were flipped I don’t think Hamas would be any more paragon than Israel. Probably even worse, the eradication of Israel is in their charter no? Hamas and Iranian proxies have historically shot missiles into Israel on a regular basis, if there was no iron dome there would be more death
 

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Wager Israeli civilian deaths means they’d be ok with ending the iron dome even if they had the foresight it would lead to more Israel civilians dying.
From all their public statements and actions I think their wager re: ending Iron Dome funding would be that any increase in Israeli civilian death would be the fault of the Israeli government's genocidal actions and in the service of ending said genocide.

Tlaib and Omar are racist in the same way you claim AOC is racist except they value Muslim lives more than Israeli lives.
I've seen absolutely no evidence of this claim.

You could even argue that Tlaib put Palestine first before the Americans being harmed by a potential Trump administration by failing to endorse Kamala.
If anything, Tlaib was trying to save the Democrats from blowing the election the way they did by making them realize they were on a failing course.

Your Nazi analogy falls apart because if the power dynamics were flipped I don’t think Hamas would be any more paragon than Israel.
Irrelevant to the analogy.

Probably even worse, the eradication of Israel is in their charter no?
No, it's not.

Hamas and Iranian proxies have historically shot missiles into Israel on a regular basis, if there was no iron dome there would be more death
Or perhaps there would be a change in the Israeli foreign policy to be less belligerent towards its neighbors and seek an actual diplomatic peace.
 

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progressives having to come to terms with how general elections work :laff:

it's like trying to teach a toddler how to drive a car
Struggling that AOC isn’t putting Hamas first :mjlol: .

Most people don’t like Israel. They also don’t like Hamas either. Or the idea of Israel not being able to defend itself just to to eventually pull the US into war.

AOC out here sounding like a regular person and progressives are mad. :mjlol:
 

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Wager Israeli civilian deaths means they’d be ok with ending the iron dome even if they had the foresight it would lead to more Israel civilians dying.

Tlaib and Omar are racist in the same way you claim AOC is racist except they value Muslim lives more than Israeli lives.

You could even argue that Tlaib put Palestine first before the Americans being harmed by a potential Trump administration by failing to endorse Kamala.

Your Nazi analogy falls apart because if the power dynamics were flipped I don’t think Hamas would be any more paragon than Israel. Probably even worse, the eradication of Israel is in their charter no? Hamas and Iranian proxies have historically shot missiles into Israel on a regular basis, if there was no iron dome there would be more death

There are no innocent Israelis

 
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