All You "The NFL Is Dying" Retards Can STFU Now.....
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malbaker86
Gators
I think they meant in the quality of play being "diminished" a bit due to the constant rules changing
....then I guess people are stupid, because if the quality of something was diminishing THAT greatly, I wouldn't waste my money/time on it, yunno? So either people are stupid, or this whole argument of "diminished play" is being overstated. Because the numbers don't bear that out.
I see alot of cats complaining about parity and such.....as I said in that other thread, I watched all seven hours of The RedZone and the Chiefs/Broncos game and was thoroughly entertained all day.
The only fans who think a sport is dying are (a) fringe fans, and (b) haters of that sport.
Plus, there's an ulterior undertone on THIS board, where idiots like to pit one sport against another (hence, the underlined red part).
man people, either watch it or dont
yseJ
Empire strikes back
you keep misunderstanding the points people make
the NFL as a commercial/entertainment product is thriving. fantasy and gambling have been huge boosts to footballs popularity
the NFL as a league of football as a sport has been toned down to some bullshyt
me in particular, I dont watch football for entertainment, and Ive watched football before it became an offensive farce.
if you're interested watching the mechanics of the game and seeing a fair competition, the bias towards qb, wrs and offense is disgusting. defenders get flagged all the time for even breathing on players.
if you're interested in getting entertained on your couch, the NFL is at an all-time high. especially since most 'entertain me' fans love high scoring and dont like defense.
Captain Crunch
Veteran
The NFL is dying, it has hit it's peak and will only decline.
This is just like the Roman Empire, right before the Visigoths came and crushed the buildings.
This is just like the Roman Empire, right before the Visigoths came and crushed the buildings.
I understand exactly the points people are making.
And generally speaking, one's points can only be based on either (a) individual interpretation, or (b) factually-based data.
SO....if people keep saying:
...then why isn't that being reflected in the number of people watching? Why aren't the numbers waning? Who knowingly financially supports en masse an inferior product (inferior, in accordance with your terms, meaning "bad mechanics, poor tackling, etc.)? Serious question.
This isn't a personal attack on you, but how does that argument make sense, otherwise? It doesn't. It ONLY makes sense if one wants to suggest that (as I said before in the other thread) the large and vast majority of NFL fans are FRINGE FANS, so therefore the appreciation for "mechanics, etc." isn't as pronounced as most would think. And even THAT argument is suspect, because how do you quantify it?
But see, nobody proffering this argument has even remotely suggested that yet. No, instead they just keep on with the platitudes, "it's dying, the games look bad, the games are boring", etc. So if that's their only foundation, to that I say...look at these numbers.
Further, and more specifically...let's not act like morons on this board don't try to downplay the NFL for anything NBA-related. That's more addressed to them, those who deliberately try to
with that sensibility.
yseJ
Empire strikes back
how do you want to quantify it ? majority of NFL 'fans' ARE casual, fringe, whatever fans. half of them would meet you with a blank stare if you talk about the B gap (unless they played madden
)all of those fans LOVE scoring
this isnt about the NFL even, in EVERY league in america people love scoring and think defense boring.
take the Spurs, for example. most people on this board will say theyre boring, shyt you have more europeans rooting for them in europe than americans outside of san antonio
NHL went ahead and artificially upped the scoring.
its the american mindset of entertaining with a flashy, exciting, entertainment scoring play
theres no way to quantify it though, really. but most people watch it for that. I dont want to sound elitist or whatever...but it is what it is
red zone is super popular, even on this board. and red zone is a quintessential representation of what the majority wants- see highlights of big OR scoring plays. no one besides a small group gives a shyt about a miracle converted third and 2 play by the TE. they barely even show RB runs for short TDs in highlights anymore, leaving more room for big pass plays.
instead of watching a real football game, tons of people watch red zone instead. if the majority was watching it for mechanics, red zone wouldnt be as popular. 10-7 games would be as popular as 42-35 games, and so on.
Don Dada F Poppa
Benchwarmer
People don't seem to understand the dynamics of the National Football League. They're in the business of entertaining and generating revenue.
So yes, when your biggest money maker is on the offensive side, and scoring points similar to a basketball game is entertaining to more consumers, then the rules will cater to that side of the ball. Is it fair? Not really, and the real football heads (those who played, coach) don't like it, but its still football and we'll love it regardless.
nikkas really wanna return to the '40s though when it was a penalty to throw an incomplete pass, or the 80s where it was legal to shove a receiver all around the field up to 10 yards (and teams running the R&S/49ers were still putting up big numbers passing), and that's never gonna happen. So you can either stop crying and accept the direction football is going, or stop watching and stop supporting. It's that simple
So yes, when your biggest money maker is on the offensive side, and scoring points similar to a basketball game is entertaining to more consumers, then the rules will cater to that side of the ball. Is it fair? Not really, and the real football heads (those who played, coach) don't like it, but its still football and we'll love it regardless.
nikkas really wanna return to the '40s though when it was a penalty to throw an incomplete pass, or the 80s where it was legal to shove a receiver all around the field up to 10 yards (and teams running the R&S/49ers were still putting up big numbers passing), and that's never gonna happen. So you can either stop crying and accept the direction football is going, or stop watching and stop supporting. It's that simple
Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
I dont consider myself a casual fan but I agree that the game it self is set up to cater to offense and they are doing too much to protect guys like Tom brady because they are the stars. I can also say its few and far inbetween when a great team wins the superbowl. its more the team that survives or gets hot at the right time.. But at the same time I love the redzone channel, I love 43-45 games and I mostly only want to see the big plays from games that dont involve my team... so no the rating dont equate a quality product, shyt look at all the shows on tv that are number one in ratings, most are terrible, doesnt mean they are not entertaining.
Lakerman0834
Veteran
Take away fantasy football ull lose 50% of the fans it's dying braughs and needs gimmick to keep it alive
how do you want to quantify it ? majority of NFL 'fans' ARE casual, fringe, whatever fans. half of them would meet you with a blank stare if you talk about the B gap (unless they played madden
all of those fans LOVE scoring
this isnt about the NFL even, in EVERY league in america people love scoring and think defense boring.
take the Spurs, for example. most people on this board will say theyre boring, shyt you have more europeans rooting for them in europe than americans outside of san antonio
NHL went ahead and artificially upped the scoring.
its the american mindset of entertaining with a flashy, exciting, entertainment scoring play
theres no way to quantify it though, really. but most people watch it for that. I dont want to sound elitist or whatever...but it is what it is
red zone is super popular, even on this board. and red zone is a quintessential representation of what the majority wants- see highlights of big OR scoring plays. no one besides a small group gives a shyt about a miracle converted third and 2 play by the TE. they barely even show RB runs for short TDs in highlights anymore, leaving more room for big pass plays.
instead of watching a real football game, tons of people watch red zone instead. if the majority was watching it for mechanics, red zone wouldnt be as popular. 10-7 games would be as popular as 42-35 games, and so on.
....but this presuppositions that there aren't alot - ALOT - of informed NFL fans who are older than 30, those who've been watching the league since way back in the 70s, who DO understand about mechanics and the recent pussification of the game, but who still enjoy it as much as I did yesterday. It's wholly dismissive of that whole demographic and, again, such a sensibility lacks factual data to support itself.
So how is there quanification THERE?
Look, we could do this all day, so let's just agree to disagree on this, brotha.