Allah vs atheism: ‘Leaving Islam was the hardest thing I’ve done’
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i said multiple times i'm not in favor of physical violence.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
WRESTLING'S FAKE, BROTHER!
The story in the OP has very little to do with ontological concerns and I hoped against hope the thread might reflect that but of course it's the same hashed out bullshyt.
You people forget all too easily that the scope of religion goes far beyond impossible abstract questions in your head.
The extents to which identity, community, family, law, sexuality, can be defined by religious belief is truly profound. It would be nice if once in a while somebody (religious or otherwise) had something to say about the issue that went beyond the trite, mundane and obvious.
false.
Religion was the banner that HUMANS used to enact organizational principles in their respective societies.
This doesn't even make sense.
Exactly and neither does prayer.
"Let me tell god verbally (cause he can't hear me) how thankful I am of things he did even though god knows what I'm thinking and doing and WILL do"
Greenstrings
All Star
Why must you look for tautologies in everything?I said 'can be defined', not 'are exclusively defined', that being said what exactly is so different about what I said to what you're suggesting? Unless you seriously think that I'm literally personifying religion here and giving it credit for human input that clearly goes without saying in which case
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
Exactly and neither does prayer.
"Let me tell god verbally (cause he can't hear me) how thankful I am of things he did even though god knows what I'm thinking and doing and WILL do"
It's not about God "hearing" prayers. It's more about the time dedicated and sacrificed. To take time out to show humility. Actions speak louder than words.
Your understanding of it all is at a very basic level.
Greenstrings
All Star
Such situations are far more complex than you're allowing for and bringing in ethical considerations just muddies the water further. Fam could easily turn around and ask if it's ethical to sacrifice the happiness and well being of the many in order to accommodate the potentially fractious influence of the dissenting one.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
What's ironic?
If its god, why would it take any amount of time to do anything though?
why must you trivialize the efforts of humans to come up with efficient ways of running their societies?
I said 'can be defined', not 'are exclusively defined', that being said what exactly is so different about what I said to what you're suggesting? Unless you seriously think that I'm literally personifying religion here and giving it credit for human input that clearly goes without saying in which case
Which is what you did.
You claimed "religion" was responsible for the character of western society...which isn't true. Religion without the supernatural shyt is nothing so don't front right now.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
You gotta be trollin, breh. God prays now? 
You don't like God because you're a homosexual. End of discussion.
Just one more thing though just so you can't say you didn't know. Time is irrelevant to God anyway. But still...
You don't like God because you're a homosexual. End of discussion.
Just one more thing though just so you can't say you didn't know. Time is irrelevant to God anyway. But still...
What?
I'm NOT gay...and I don't understand how you have the pervasive logic you seem to be drawn to.
Greenstrings
All Star
Whatever tree you're barking up I ain't there. I've done nothing like what you're suggesting.
I feel like we're having two completely different conversations here. This isn't (or at least it shouldn't be) about point scoring, its simply accepting the narrative of human civilizations in its totality.And no I didn't you're being intentionally obtuse. I didn't say anything about any specific society let alone Western so no idea where you're getting that from. Your conception of religion is typically from a non-religious vantage point, which is entirely fair and reasonable (mine is the same but growing up the other way helps me see both ways) except if you're trying to parse its function in which case you have no choice but to take into account what it is religious people think they're doing and are actually doing otherwise you're just fighting against parameters that nobody cares to defend in the first place. Supernaturalism is an almost universal feature of religions but it is not the defining feature and trying to separate that element from structural societal frameworks in parsing out the scope of religion is utterly pointless.
We don't work weekends largely because of historical religious considerations. It is easy to rationalise this and assert that this is merely a manifestation of the understanding that a periodically rested labour force is a happier, more productive one but ignoring the religious underpinnings would result in an incomplete picture.