Amazon to move it’s second headquarters to Queens.[update 2/14 : Amazon cancels its plans.

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There are a lot of wealthy native New Yorkers tech/finance bros to begin with, I don't see why they would need to import people (although they probably still will).

Yeah I thought the same thing but the reason why amazon got scrutiny for the deal is because amazon was ALREADY hiring in house... the fix was in... they had people already working for amazon MOVING HERE... they not even gonna hire local talent...

I'm glad they not coming here...

 

[BaggerofTea]

The white gentrifiers in Brooklyn (meaning those moving to gentrifyING neighborhoods rather than full blown gentrified neighborhoods like Park Slope) are mostly not making Amazon salaries. The ones I know in Bushwick are in the 30-60k range and live with roommates. People making 150k can comfortably afford to live in LIC (or Greenpoint, Williamsburg, etc.). All of Western Queens is already too expensive for any poor people to buy property in anyway, that ship has sailed years ago.




fukk no, but before that was a thing, there has always been resistance to Walmart coming to NYC. Which is silly, because there are already several Target stores which are pretty similar.

Whats a good spot for ~110k per year?

 

[Mensch Fontana]

How about affordable housing ? Maybe a community center? I think the area can benefit from having a municipal parking lot.

Smaller distributors where the minimum qualifications are not impossibly high for the local residents. Would do a million times more good than amazon shipping in more PNW cacs to white wash neighborhood

 

[TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?]

Ask anybody who grew up in the projects ( myself included) NYC doesn’t do shyt for anybody in the projects. At least Amazon had investment in job training in for queens bridge.

That’s what frustrates me the most. These nikkas don’t even live out here and telling us what we need.

Not only that ,Amazon presence would have attracted even more businesses in the area

 

[CashmereThoughts]

SERIOUS question.

What are they doing NOW for those residents?

I mean come on.

its NYC.

Its rich next to poor already. Yall act like this is some revolutionary act in NYC.

“Y’all act like”. Huh? I simply replied to the idea that these jobs were for those residents

 

[BigMan]

SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS shyt, PLACE BLAME WHERE IT fukkING BELONGS NIKKA!!!! DiBLASIO AND CUOMO!!! is that so damned hard???

Son is a weirdo cac don’t bother

 

[George's Dilemma]

Wow, $3 billion in incentives and Amazon still said naw. The devil in the details is basically NY's cost of living killed this deal. DeBlasio is talking about one has to be tough to make it in New York. Well yeah, he's right, when you consider New York has the highest tax burden in the country. So you tax the hell out of your populace and businesses and your only recourse to stimulate the local economy is to offer a company like Amazon incentives. Oh, and addition to those incentives you want them to take the initiative on your city's infrastructure development. Then you want to lure companies and pull a bait and switch by pressuring them to allow collective bargaining, enforced vacations, etc.. All of that and you still haven't addressed the elephant in the room, that being the outrageous cost of living that existed before trying thirst trap a company like Amazon.

For all the talk of how Amazon's presence would have raised rent, increased gentrification, wouldn't contribute their fair share to the city, Ocasio Cortez having an orgasm, etc., you know who loses? The people who already had little to nothing in the form of opportunity. Basically, their situation stays exactly the same whereas before had Amazon stayed some of these folks would have something more than before and some would even thrive and find success. Amazon could have been a possible for career for some and possibly a stepping stone to other ventures. Been a few times in my life I took a job where I was underpaid just to get my foot in the door.

 

[The_Sheff]

Wow, $3 billion in incentives and Amazon still said naw. The devil in the details is basically NY's cost of living killed this deal. DeBlasio is talking about one has to be tough to make it in New York. Well yeah, he's right, when you consider New York has the highest tax burden in the country. So you tax the hell out of your populace and businesses and your only recourse to stimulate the local economy is to offer a company like Amazon incentives. Oh, and addition to those incentives you want them to take the initiative on your city's infrastructure development. Then you want to lure companies and pull a bait and switch by pressuring them to allow collective bargaining, enforced vacations, etc.. All of that and you still haven't addressed the elephant in the room, that being the outrageous cost of living that existed before trying thirst trap a company like Amazon.

For all the talk of how Amazon's presence would have raised rent, increased gentrification, wouldn't contribute their fair share to the city, Ocasio Cortez having an orgasm, etc., you know who loses? The people who already had little to nothing in the form of opportunity. Basically, their situation stays exactly the same whereas before had Amazon stayed some of these folks would have something more than before and some would even thrive and find success. Amazon could have been a possible for career for some and possibly a stepping stone to other ventures. Been a few times in my life I took a job where I was underpaid just to get my foot in the door.

When a company like Amazon comes in with high paying white collar jobs those arent local jobs. They choose an area like NYC because thats where the talent they want to attract and the talent they already have is willing to live. They could make a lot more money by moving that office park to Mississippi but the labor force they want doesnt want to be in Mississippi so it wouldnt work. So essentially they choose a location that already has the infrastructure and public amenities their employees want but they dont pay into improving or upkeeping that infrastructure, thats a huge problem.

When the film industry moved to Atlanta folks here were super excited thinking they were going to stroll into industry and make connections. Nope. The movie companies just moved all their talent from Cali to Atlanta.

 

[newworldafro]

This is a tough one and I have been on both sides of the argument.

They were getting a $3 billion "coupon" basically over a period of time, but the real number is they were going to be paying $27 billion in state and city taxes over that same period. After that period is over, back to $30 billion.

They were going to bring in 25,000 jobs average $150,000/year. So $3.75 billion in annual income. Which would have meant around 25,000 spouses, and around 25,000 - 50,000 kids. Some of the workers would be from NY/NJ/CT/PA so would not have to be brought into the city.

Gentrification. Sure. Inevitable, but also mitigable (sp). At least there were some jobs attached to this, instead more residential condo towers in Long Island City. This suppose to be 4th Central Business District for NYC.

On the otherhand.

Amazon is behemoth company that caused the destruction of millions of square feet retail space, sucked 100s of billions of tax dollars out communities. They share your data and ignore your privacy via Alexa. They censor or make more difficult to obtain things they don't like. They treat their warehouse employees like shiit. Gobbling up any small company they get their hands on.

It's a cool company like a lot of these tech companies, but there is a dystopian-esque to it as well.

I can't call it

 

[AlainLocke]

 

[Astroslik]

With google building its 2nd location here and Groupon, and grubhub out here, amazon should consider Chicago. They also have several Amazon grocery location in the city

wishful thinking though

 

[Jean toomer]

Wow, $3 billion in incentives and Amazon still said naw. The devil in the details is basically NY's cost of living killed this deal. DeBlasio is talking about one has to be tough to make it in New York. Well yeah, he's right, when you consider New York has the highest tax burden in the country. So you tax the hell out of your populace and businesses and your only recourse to stimulate the local economy is to offer a company like Amazon incentives. Oh, and addition to those incentives you want them to take the initiative on your city's infrastructure development. Then you want to lure companies and pull a bait and switch by pressuring them to allow collective bargaining, enforced vacations, etc.. All of that and you still haven't addressed the elephant in the room, that being the outrageous cost of living that existed before trying thirst trap a company like Amazon.

For all the talk of how Amazon's presence would have raised rent, increased gentrification, wouldn't contribute their fair share to the city, Ocasio Cortez having an orgasm, etc., you know who loses? The people who already had little to nothing in the form of opportunity. Basically, their situation stays exactly the same whereas before had Amazon stayed some of these folks would have something more than before and some would even thrive and find success. Amazon could have been a possible for career for some and possibly a stepping stone to other ventures. Been a few times in my life I took a job where I was underpaid just to get my foot in the door.

I agree with a lot of what you state ..in theory, however, when you look at San Francisco, Boston, LA etc. the supposed incentives that come with wealthy companies become a mirage. The poor are eventually marginalized and displaced by the wealthy while property values go up.

 

[Geek Nasty]

I listened to some conservatives crying on TV about this deal going south today. I'm telling you people never factor in the hidden costs of a giant company moving into your neighborhood. YOu have to pay for the infrastrcuture to pay all these people. Cops, new schools, transportation, hospitals. 25K people is a whole damned city. And never mind if there isn't 25k open apartments today, that means some of you motherfukkers are getting priced out fo your own neighborhood.

 

[Harry Sax]

Bring that shyt to Brevard County Jeff

 

[Stone Cold]

This is a tough one and I have been on both sides of the argument.

They were getting a $3 billion "coupon" basically over a period of time, but the real number is they were going to be paying $27 billion in state and city taxes over that same period. After that period is over, back to $30 billion.

They were going to bring in 25,000 jobs average $150,000/year. So $3.75 billion in annual income. Which would have meant around 25,000 spouses, and around 25,000 - 50,000 kids. Some of the workers would be from NY/NJ/CT/PA so would not have to be brought into the city.

Gentrification. Sure. Inevitable, but also mitigable (sp). At least there were some jobs attached to this, instead more residential condo towers in Long Island City. This suppose to be 4th Central Business District for NYC.

On the otherhand.

Amazon is behemoth company that caused the destruction of millions of square feet retail space, sucked 100s of billions of tax dollars out communities. They share your data and ignore your privacy via Alexa. They censor or make more difficult to obtain things they don't like. They treat their warehouse employees like shiit. Gobbling up any small company they get their hands on.

It's a cool company like a lot of these tech companies, but there is a dystopian-esque to it as well.

I can't call it

The problem is there’s nothing filling in that big ass gap that the potential of Amazon leaves.