Amazon's HQ2 moving to Northern VA and NYC; 2/14: Amazon pulls out of NYC after public backlash!

[88m3]

You are falling for this hook line and sinker. I work in tech out here in SF/Silicon Valley and a lot of companies have low economic and social “outreach” programs or donate to them, many have “a focus on diversity and inclusion” and at the end of the day....you’ve seen the headlines about what’s really going on out here as far as underrepresented groups and locals being employed by these companies.


Even as a person with degrees from Stanford and Wharton, I’ve been used as a pawn in their “pipeline” fraud as “interviewing” me allows them to tick off the female and black box on their reports. At the end of the day, all those bullet points mean naught when it comes to the reality of who actually gets in to Amazon, especially at the corporate level, I’ve interviewed with them and know the people and culture they have within those walls...it’s not welcoming.

NYC has had programs like this for awhile and I know companies can abuse them and use them as a shield for their hiring practices. The language doesn't have to be there at all. Companies are already ignoring the EEOC at the end of the day anyway? The local colleges here have put an effort into turning out people for these types of jobs and kids actually getting jobs/careers out of college or before they graduate. I wish programs like that were around when I was graduating during the recession. Maybe they'll find 25k white men from out of state to fill low tier 125-150k a yr jobs but that seems highly doubtful. Will their middle management and executives be a bunch of white men with just enough diversity to avoid the hard questions well that seems to be their mo.


How will we combat the worst forms of human nature and racism in our environment? Until we can figure that out should there be any job creation? I'm sure a lot of us have friends and family who work in tech should we see them as the exception?


I think the location is excellent and in the longterm will be great for the city/state/citizens.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

NYC has had programs like this for awhile and I know companies can abuse them and use them as a shield for their hiring practices. The language doesn't have to be there at all. Companies are already ignoring the EEOC at the end of the day anyway? The local colleges here have put an effort into turning out people for these types of jobs and kids actually getting jobs/careers out of college or before they graduate. I wish programs like that were around when I was graduating during the recession. Maybe they'll find 25k white men from out of state to fill low tier 125-150k a yr jobs but that seems highly doubtful. Will their middle management and executives be a bunch of white men with just enough diversity to avoid the hard questions well that seems to be their mo.


How will we combat the worst forms of human nature and racism in our environment? Until we can figure that out should there be any job creation? I'm sure a lot of us have friends and family who work in tech should we see them as the exception?


I think the location is excellent and in the longterm will be great for the city/state/citizens.

No, it won’t just be white men, it will be white women, Asians and Indians who all dominate the industry presently. now instead of pooling this national (international) network of employees in Seattle and SF, they’ll have more options in NY as google and Facebook continue to expand there as well as amazon.


Just one look at the Bay Area and you’ll see the “average” bay area resident isn’t employed in tech, it’s only those of us who went to the best schools who already had access to the network. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you think this opening means anything more to the local economy than more lunch crowds and a few blue collar service jobs (janitors, office managers, etc)

 

[88m3]

No, it won’t just be white men, it will be white women, Asians and Indians who all dominate the industry presently. now instead of pooling this national (international) network of employees in Seattle and SF, they’ll have more options in NY as google and Facebook continue to expand there as well as amazon.


Just one look at the Bay Area and you’ll see the “average” bay area resident isn’t employed in tech, it’s only those of us who went to the best schools who already had access to the network. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you think this opening means anything more to the local economy than more lunch crowds and a few blue collar service jobs (janitors, office managers, etc)

Currently the software and tech only make up only 10-11% of the city's workforce. Just a thought but maybe it's a good thing that this wont have an outsized effect on our city. The neighborhood it's planned to be built in is also underdeveloped but has a lot of housing in place with more on the way.

 

[KingJudah2]

you dumb if you think he wrong

 

[KingJudah2]

Oh shut the fukk up with this nonsense. She isn’t doing nothing but keeping a mindset of being poor. Amazon average software salary is
121K base salary + $19K annual bonus +$33K annual equity + $30K signing bonus

Amazon product manager salary is 115k plus bonus

And NYC just got 25k of these jobs, and she keeps bytching about please don’t bring these jobs here.

No they didn't stupid.. They didn't just get the jobs read the fine print, they have an incentive to underperform.

 

[88m3]

you dumb if you think he wrong

If it were Thiel or Mercer he would be orgasming.

A companies location has very little weight on their influence in the times we're living in.

A lot of these companies* are already deeply in bed with the government and they're located across the country think Boeing, Microsoft, etc etc.

 

[hashmander]

they would be better off investing in home grown companies instead of giving amazon subsidies. it's not like NYC has a shortage of jobs. they'll move from one company that's already in the city to amazon. no new job created just a reshuffling. if cities were more focused on creating an educated citizenry instead of trying to steal homegrown companies from other cities and then attracting educated people from outside to fill these jobs (while saying fukk our people they're not qualified to do shyt), we would all be better off.

 

[KingJudah2]

If it were Thiel or Mercer he would be orgasming.

A companies location has very little weight on their influence in the times we're living in.

A lot of these countries are already deeply in bed with government and they're located across the country Boeing, Microsoft, etc etc.

you're assuming

 

[hashmander]

you're assuming

nah he's probably right. if palantir was owned by bezos or soros these alt-righties and conspiracy nuts would be going ape shyt.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

No they didn't stupid.. They didn't just get the jobs read the fine print, they have an incentive to underperform.

No a$$hole maybe you should shut the hell up. Amazon has already been adding these jobs especially in Advertising and marketing in LIC for six years already for its web services, Alexa models and it’s Amazon fresh acquisition. Again you folks have no idea what you’re talking about.

Dumb Nikka talking about check the contract, I’m seeing this shyt with my own damn eyes.

 

[KingJudah2]

No a$$hole maybe you should shut the hell up. Amazon has already been adding these jobs especially in Advertising and marketing in LIC for six years already for its web services, Alexa models and it’s Amazon fresh acquisition. Again you folks have no idea what you’re talking about.

Dumb Nikka talking about check the contract, I’m seeing this shyt with my own damn eyes.

so it's anecdotal

 

[mastermind]

they would be better off investing in home grown companies instead of giving amazon subsidies. it's not like NYC has a shortage of jobs. they'll move from one company that's already in the city to amazon. no new job created just a reshuffling. if cities were more focused on creating an educated citizenry instead of trying to steal homegrown companies from other cities and then attracting educated people from outside to fill these jobs (while saying fukk our people they're not qualified to do shyt), we would all be better off.

that is my biggest issue

Why court Amazon when that money could be spent to create new companies? I don't live in Northern VA, but that area is one of the strongest economies in America. It would have made more sense to put it in Southern VA where this is all needed.

It is so short-sighted by these states and is Democratic Party civil war playing out in a real way.

 

[88m3]

No they didn't stupid.. They didn't just get the jobs read the fine print, they have an incentive to underperform.

no

 

[hashmander]

that is my biggest issue

Why court Amazon when that money could be spent to create new companies? I don't live in Northern VA, but that area is one of the strongest economies in America. It would have made more sense to put it in Southern VA where this is all needed.

It is so short-sighted by these states and is Democratic Party civil war playing out in a real way.

see i'm against these subsidies period so taking from one part of the state to enrich another part of the state is still not cool in my book because if it's needed in southern va then that means the southern va workforce isn't qualified in the first place because if they were then homegrown companies would pop up. what would happen is a whole new class of people would be imported to southern va and the only help it would be to the existing residents of southern va in need of jobs is that maybe some trickle down labor intensive and retail jobs to service these new residents with money. tradesmen would do well because more people means more building and shyt going bad.

i feel in a case like this it's better to use govt money to improve the skills of the people in southern va. if these jobs just needed people then i'd probably shrug (still hate the subsidies) because there is nothing special about that and anyone could do it so it would help the people in that area, but these high paying jobs require highly educated people. if new york or nova had a problem where they spent so much money educating their citizens only for them to pack up and leave because there are no jobs then maybe an argument could be made for enticing companies that would help them stay. but there is no shortage and even if that was the situation the best option is helping grow businesses in your city so that the educated don't leave.

it's just a quick way to bring in a better educated class of people instead of producing it yourself.

 

[Pedro Negro]

Where in Queens you at breh?

I'm looking at houses at the moment and considering renting out my condo - still weighing out the pros and cons myself.

NYC just became even more unliveable...

All my queens brehs that take the 7 train are completely fukked...I remember that train was ass to ass during rush hour with constant "signal problems"...

I'm a queens home owner so this is all good for me cuz my property value just went up...

It's a three family so I will debating collect rent or sell...leaning towards collecting rent...

at breh