Andre 3000 not performing with Big Boi during their Hall of fame was disrespectful to HipHop, he secretly looks down on rap

[spliz]

I agree with most of this but disagree that not having a solo album precludes a rapper from being top ten. Like am I going to throw a red flag if somebody says Posdnuos is a top ten rapper? No. I may not agree but I can't reject somebody solely because of solo albums or the lack thereof. Pos has so many verses across DECADES that I just can't disqualify him on some "you didn't do this one thing" shyt. In fact the only "one thing" that would be disqualifying is having a ghostwriter IMO.

I have all types of issues with Andre stans and have clowned the top ten arguments before. But is he QUALIFIED to be considered? Yes!

And btw...Prodigy is in my top 10 favorite rappers of all time, and while I haven't done a top 10 "best" list in years I would definitely consider putting him there. His solo output isn't amazing overall but he has a classic (HNIC) and a 4/5 album (Return Of The Mac). But even if he didn't I'd probably feel the same way due to how amazing his verses are between Mobb and features.

It’s just simply not fair to put him up against artists who have been putting in work and delivering classic solo work for years. I’m sorry. It’s not the same thing and any rapper who has been in a group and solo as well will def tell u this. Such as myself. I have done both. I was in a group for YEARS. I couldn’t even flex creativity a certain way being in a group. It’s FAR easier. Whole different work flow. All u gotta do is plug in a verse a song? shyt is cake walk compared to being solo man. lol.

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Mob Deep>>>>

Said by no one ever in life
Just be typing shyt

 

[Piff Perkins]

It’s just simply not fair to put him up against artists who have been putting in work and delivering classic solo work for years. I’m sorry. It’s not the same thing and any rapper who has been in a group and solo as well will def tell u this. Such as myself. I have done both. I was in a group for YEARS. I couldn’t even flex creativity a certain way being in a group. It’s FAR easier. Whole different work flow. All u gotta do is plug in a verse a song? shyt is cake walk compared to being solo man. lol.

Why is fairness a barometer? How fair is it to compare rappers with 1-2 albums to rappers with 8+ albums, when it comes to truly judging them as artists? Biggie didn't have nearly enough time to truly become the artist he could have been, yet we regularly compare him to guys like Jay who got decades-long careers to evolve. If you feel that way about group rappers I don't see it as a reason to outright disqualify them from the discussion. I also don't think Pos, Prodigy, Q-Tip, etc really showed any signs of being shackled creatively by being in a group. There are always going to be some advantages baked into any measurement of skill. Our job should be to take that into account when putting our lists and opinions together.

I judge my list off bars, verses, songs, moments, accomplishments (not sales, I'm talking classic works, battle wins, etc). I assume you judge based on very similar metrics right? So hypothetically if you felt like Pos hit all of those metrics and was worthy of being considered for your top 10...you're saying you would automatically erase his name from contention solely because he never dropped a solo album? I just disagree with that part. Especially when it's someone with a long career. Outkast has a bunch of records. I wouldn't put Andre on my list but just off the album output its enough to judge him as a lyricist/rapper/etc.

 

[spliz]

Why is fairness a barometer? How fair is it to compare rappers with 1-2 albums to rappers with 8+ albums, when it comes to truly judging them as artists? Biggie didn't have nearly enough time to truly become the artist he could have been, yet we regularly compare him to guys like Jay who got decades-long careers to evolve. If you feel that way about group rappers I don't see it as a reason to outright disqualify them from the discussion. I also don't think Pos, Prodigy, Q-Tip, etc really showed any signs of being shackled creatively by being in a group. There are always going to be some advantages baked into any measurement of skill. Our job should be to take that into account when putting our lists and opinions together.

I judge my list off bars, verses, songs, moments, accomplishments (not sales, I'm talking classic works, battle wins, etc). I assume you judge based on very similar metrics right? So hypothetically if you felt like Pos hit all of those metrics and was worthy of being considered for your top 10...you're saying you would automatically erase his name from contention solely because he never dropped a solo album? I just disagree with that part. Especially when it's someone with a long career. Outkast has a bunch of records. I wouldn't put Andre on my list but just off the album output its enough to judge him as a lyricist/rapper/etc.

nikka don’t got songs. Period. I’m not judging a nikka who don’t got songs against nikkas who got classic albums. Just ain’t gonna happen. I know the difference in the work. nikka just essentially drop hot 16s to me. Same way I can’t put a nikka who don’t write his rhymes on a top 5 or top 10 emcee list. Damn right it’s about fairness.

 

[Rozay Oro]

It's easy to shine when all you have to do is drop a feature once in a blue moon.

I agree, he doesn’t have it for an album anymore. I think he could with the right producer like Rick Rubin

 

[904]

U remove the Mobb albums and he'd looked at differently. But the thing is he has the Mobb albums in CONJUNCTION with his solo efforts. Andre never even participated. We know Prodigy is a very capable solo artist. He has GREAT solo projects mixed with his Mobb work and that enables people to rate him as both solo and group artist. Andre hasn't participated. He's disqualified. It's unfair.

I disagree simply because if P dies after Hell on Earth, his status would be cemented..

You'd get a few of the same Biggie longevity arguments but for the most part he'd be one of the goats..

He only went downhill from there

 

[5n0man]

The issue i have with Dre not rapping is his opinion on hip hop in general. He talks about hip hop like its some immature bullshyt for kids and not an art deserving of respect.

He almost sounds embarrassed of his outkast days when he talks about it.

 

[Art Barr]

Dude had said over and over he's got bad stagefright when it comes to performing rap

Yall don't listen when the answer is easily available. If big boi and the rest of DF ain't out here making a fuss then why are yall? They understand breh struggle and respect his wishes

He's able to perform the flute cause that's what he feels comfortable doing. Mental health ain't logical, but anxiety is real. You see how everybody dumped on doja cat for forgetting the words. In his mind, he's anticipating the worst from the internet if he makes a mistake. Especially at the rock n roll hall of fame of all places

Yall ain't in that man shoes, so quit tryna tell him why he walking with a limp

So we giving passes.
to nikkaz who have issues with being an emcee?


Art Barr

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

The issue i have with Dre not rapping is his opinion on hip hop in general. He talks about hip hop like its some immature bullshyt for kids and not an art deserving of respect.

He almost sounds embarrassed of his outkast days when he talks about it.

You are adding things that he didn't say (at least from what I read and heard in his interviews)

 

[Art Barr]

The issue i have with Dre not rapping is his opinion on hip hop in general. He talks about hip hop like its some immature bullshyt for kids and not an art deserving of respect.

He almost sounds embarrassed of his outkast days when he talks about it.

Dude a toy and don't know shyt about hiphop tho.



Art Barr

 

[JustCKing]

The issue i have with Dre not rapping is his opinion on hip hop in general. He talks about hip hop like its some immature bullshyt for kids and not an art deserving of respect.

He almost sounds embarrassed of his outkast days when he talks about it.

Andre's thoughts on Hip Hop haven't changed since the OutKast days though. This was Andre in 1996:

This ol' sucka MC stepped up to me
Challenged André to a battle and I stood there patiently
As he spit and stumbled over cliches, so called free-styling
Whole purpose just to make me feel low, I guess you wilding
I say, "Look, boy, I ain't for that fukk shyt—so fukk this"
"Let me explain 'only child' style so you don't dis'"
I grew up to myself not 'round no park bench
Just a nikka busting flows off in apartments


No concentrating knocking other nikkas out the box
Why? 'Cause in a sense see we all be kind of fly
Just can't be scared to spread your wings, head to better things
Maybe the mockingbird and nightingale they want to sing

 

[Zero]

Badu must've taught this man well because he got you dudes under a spell something serious

 

[BUSINESS AS USUAL]

Tired of y’all giving that dude a pass

Hes a weirdo and clown..no catalog ass country bumpkin

 

[Still Benefited]

Andre's behaviors AFTER his career do not change his status as a rapper.

It certainly does. Ice Cube got moved down on many list becauase he made "Are We There Yet".


Other than that,no reason that 3 classics,1 near classic 20 years later. Plus 2 classic group albums and one near classic(Guerelilllas In the Mist) dont have you top 3 on every nikkas list over 40.


Not to mention people on here talking about his legacy simply for saying we dont need to be loyal to Democrats,and being willing to talk to republicans. If Cubes legacy can be questioned or reconsidered,who the hell is 3K?

 

[Jim Cornette]

He fukking sucks