Andrew Luck vs. RG3: A Year Later, Who You Got?
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Because the belief is, that running the complex offense early is better for long term development than running a simplified offense. It's more likely you'll see a traditional QB succeed for a long period of time as opposed to a QB running an unconventional offense. It's up to guys like RG3 and Kaep to prove they can have long term sustainable success, health wise and performance wise. Makes no difference to me whether or not they can, Colts aren't running that type of offense any time soon.
Luck got everything thrown on his plate immediately, there's a learning curve, he's going to make mistakes. Colts willing to make this sacrifice as they believe it'll pay off down the road. They obviously believe Luck can handle the responsibility so no point in deliberately running a simplified offense regardless of TD count.
yseJ
Empire strikes back
I said it before and Ill say it again, luck has perhaps the highest floor of any qb since peyton
guys like RGIII and Cam have higher ceiling, but not as high floors. besides, RGIII is quickly proving to be injury-prone
I disagree with the whole luck is asked to do more thing though, as its somehow giving luck a pass for less than stellar stats. unless those picks disappear in the next two years, they will be a blemish regardless. most important thing in a qbs job is to not make stupid turnovers. luck has made them rookie year. so have other great qbs when they were rookies. the question is, can he take his game to the next level and eliminate them.
those 4th quarter comebacks or game winning drives are largely irrelevant because the sample size is just too small and the stat is too circumstantial. guys like mark sanchez have led the league in game winning drives as well.
a 4th quarter comeback cannot happen if your team isnt down in the 4th quarter...obviously.
guys like RGIII and Cam have higher ceiling, but not as high floors. besides, RGIII is quickly proving to be injury-prone
I disagree with the whole luck is asked to do more thing though, as its somehow giving luck a pass for less than stellar stats. unless those picks disappear in the next two years, they will be a blemish regardless. most important thing in a qbs job is to not make stupid turnovers. luck has made them rookie year. so have other great qbs when they were rookies. the question is, can he take his game to the next level and eliminate them.
those 4th quarter comebacks or game winning drives are largely irrelevant because the sample size is just too small and the stat is too circumstantial. guys like mark sanchez have led the league in game winning drives as well.
a 4th quarter comeback cannot happen if your team isnt down in the 4th quarter...obviously.
shytty o-line + aggressive downfield attack + top 5 in passing attempts = asked to do more and will lead to turnovers.
I agree though it is a matter of him learning from those mistakes and improving.
I agree though it is a matter of him learning from those mistakes and improving.
KnowledgeDropper
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Luck is a big, durable QB who will only get better in the passing game. And he's athletic too.
RGIII, while he can be great while healthy, is too fragile. I'd also like to see the read option work year after year.
I like Wilson better than Luck going forward and Kap more at least for this year. Kap and Wilson are just built better than RGIII. I like Kap's arm better than RGIII. Wilson combines leadership, intelligence, arm strength, mobility and versatility into one.
RGIII, while he can be great while healthy, is too fragile. I'd also like to see the read option work year after year.
I like Wilson better than Luck going forward and Kap more at least for this year. Kap and Wilson are just built better than RGIII. I like Kap's arm better than RGIII. Wilson combines leadership, intelligence, arm strength, mobility and versatility into one.
AVXL
Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
It doesn't matter how far along a QB is in his development if it doesn't not manifest in his play on the field. 54% comp and 18 picks, in this pass happy can't hit anybody league, is not the manifestation of superior progression. A lot of teams attempt to simplify their offense but NO OTHER squad had a rookie qb doing what RGIII did. Shanahan didn't look so brilliant in his first couple seasons in WASH.
I want a qb getting the job done, period. If Luck comes out and is Peyton Manning 2.0 for the next decade then I will have no choice but acknowledge it. Nothing we have seen thus far demonstrates you assertion.
Winning is important. 4th qtr comebacks are no more important than winning in any other manner. As a matter of fact I prefer consistency over 4 qtrs and going into the 4th with the lead over playing like shyt and turning it over early on and then coming back late.
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And it's up to Luck to prove that he can handle that responsibility and put up numbers and minimize mistakes. Once again being asked to do a lot in and of itself isn't enough. He's gotta thrive while being asked to do a lot. 54% and 18Int is not thriving in today's NFL. If he proves me wrong this year and in years going forward I will call it like it is.
AVXL
Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
But it DID manifest in his play on the field. Yes Luck made more mistakes, but he threw 300 more passes. The things he developed: reading his progressions, reading defenses, pre snap adjustments, etc are invaluable for a young pro QB. RG3 wasn't asked to do that. He did what was asked of him & did a good job, but his development is taking a backseat while he's running this simplified offense.
You act like I'm taking shots at RG3. He's a damn good QB & if he stays healthy he's gonna be a problem for the league for years. But this thread is about who I would rather have & I said Luck for the reasons I've stated in this thread. If you want RG3, fine. But let's not act like RG3 is doing the same things at quarterback that Luck is doing at this stage of their careers.
Hey threw 230 more passes. He threw 3 more TDs. He threw 13 more picks, had a much lower comp %, had an inferior TD%, higher int%, and lower ypc. Cats keep talking about all he was asked to do and hiding behind attempts. That is only relevant if the shyt is close. By any fair measure RGIII blew his numbers out with of the water. Its up to Luck to demonstrate that he can handle the greater workload AND put up at least comparable numbers. I am not hating on him or denying his potential either I am just saying he has gotta show it. 54% and a near 1:1 td:int ratio in this pass happy league doesn't show it and there is no amount of pass attempts or progressions that can explainthat away. Until he does show it I will take the incarnation of Mike Vick from Madden 04.
Snitchin Splatter
Working With The Feds
LMAO you are trying to be so misleading. You post his INT's and completion percentage and say he's not thriving. But conveniently forget to list his rookie record yards, his touchdowns, the wins or big comebacks he produced, the fact that he's the unquestioned leader of the team. Nope, you just post two numbers and say thats proof he's not thriving. come on now
How did RG3 blow his numbers out of the water when two of the biggest stats you judge QB's on, Yards and touchdowns, Luck had more?? Come on man
LMAO you are trying to be so misleading. You post his INT's and completion percentage and say he's not thriving. But conveniently forget to list his rookie record yards, his touchdowns, the wins or big comebacks he produced, the fact that he's the unquestioned leader of the team. Nope, you just post two numbers and say thats proof he's not thriving. come on now
How many rookies had more attempts? Compilation stats don't mean as much if you are throwing more than everybody (see Matt Stafford). More than a qbs ability and production play a part in Ws, including coneback Ws. If he has no comeback Ws this year you gonna say he fell off?
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Snitchin Splatter
Working With The Feds
How many rookies had more attempts? Compilation stats don't mean as much if you are throwing more than everybody (see Matt Stafford). More than a qbs ability and production play a part in Ws, including coneback Ws. If he has no comeback Ws this year you gonna say he fell off?
If he doesn't produce at a historic rate like he did last year I would say he fell off. it has nothing to do with just 4th quarter wins, he had the stats and the intangibles, and proved physical and mental toughness by his ability to get hit more than any QB in the league and stay on the field. That's something he's head and shoulders better than compared to RG3 at this moment.