Andrew Schultz FLAMES Joe Budden: "You Always Crying About Bad Deals Because You Suck At Business"

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I think the term is overused but it's so appropriate in this case. Andrew Schulz is basically a culture vulture.

Fukk Vlad but at least you can kinda tell he was into the music and the elements when he was younger. He seems to have very little amount of principles and moves funny but he was at some point a hip hop head.

Adam you can tell also he's into the mumble stuff and is trying to capitalize.

Both of them come off as sellouts but seem to have been intune with the culture at some point.

Andrew is just a straight up vulture. And an arrogant one at that. I'll never forget when he dissed Jazzy Jeff. Even his man CTG had to check him and seemed annoyed by him. He's not intune with the culture at all yet tries to be a critic of the culture.

It's as if i started talking about country music as if i was an authority and used my friendship with a popular country radio station host as an "in". Then i start a whole podcast clowning people and making fun of them. Rednecks would never allow it. Hillbillies would never cosign it. Just disgusting
 

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Why the coli hate Schultz so much?
I think cause he makes off color comments about black ppl , never mind he makes the same comments about any and everybody. I've never really heard nothing too bad. But I also don't dissect and over analyze stuff comedians say. Seems like a lot of ppl on the coli just want an echo chamber.
 

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no they weren't, stop it man log off fakkit the turn podcast didn't even exists when joe budden was doing just that, nobody was doing it period let alone "famous people" whatever that means

only washed up stars do podcast nobody in their prime lmao, fake ass african

You're just wrong.
 
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I think cause he makes off color comments about black ppl , never mind he makes the same comments about any and everybody. I've never really heard nothing too bad. But I also don't dissect and over analyze stuff comedians say. Seems like a lot of ppl on the coli just want an echo chamber.

He’s a cac, alt right racist p*ssy. He said doesn’t believe in white privilege bc there are too many white trash Poor white cacs in trailer parks. He quotes stats that he gets from Shapiro to discredit actual data on black people.

Don’t listen to this p*ssy.
 

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Why the coli hate Schultz so much?

The good: hes very intelligent and asked good follow up questions and is good for the flow of condos.

The bad: his delivery, laugh, too much barstool type humor, dikk talk, and hes like his dad Joe Rogan in that his stances change blending on if he's talking to white people or black people. Its exhausting
 

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the problem i see with that model is that joe brought subs to spotify. Meaning it moelst likely peaks at some point. You can't bring in infinite numbers of subs. Of it peaked during his current deal, and if joe doesn't want to share ad money... Why would spotify sign him again on his terms? He has little leverage with them. Even if you are a regular listener to jbp, even if you signed up because of jbp, i don't think many would unsub because the deal is done. Some might, most won't. So in the eyes of spotify, jbp served it's purpose. That's how the game goes. Joe realizes this, so his last card to play was trying to shame spotify into "doing the right thing" and try to get people on board with "his cause". Joe is trying to put the battery in people's back hoping thete is a movement of masse unsub. But it's messy.


so you agree :yeshrug: I only disagree with the infinite number of subs shyt ...every artist on the planet has new fans every day. There's a thread right next to this one about "What makes Joe Rogan interesting" and 90% of the posts are people listening to his podcast for the first time. Now they have opened thousands of episodes to look through. Whether that means they just wanted to steal the quick subs or not, thats still bad business... not you in general. But people are acting like Spotify is microsoft. They bring nothing to the table, they upload your shyt and make shady deals. The software and code is already there all they have to do is update the main page. They do not invest any money into shyt :russ: If I'm buying bricks and you are my runner ... and you are selling out quick... I get you more bricks. I dont give you less bricks:mjlol: I agree with the sentiment that the company can do what they want, which is what most people are saying. But the point is if you are trying to grow yourself and the company, how can you blame the runner putting up numbers? Even salesman get commission, dont hide the numbers and skew the worth ... that's not just terrible business... that shouldnt be tolerated on any level


Most people are saying the same thing here but from a different angle. Joe is already independent, he's trying to tap into a well oiled machine and partner with something. But he's showing that they are beyond grimey ... its not about Him or Spotify.... its about regulating the abuse of power by corporations. If everyone would get on the same page, they would be forced to give people their actual worth. Joe said it himself on an episode, coming from music... how do I have 1 episode with as many streams as a whole album. But I get paid more for the album and not the episode. He's basically going gold every single week. So the value of a podcast should be higher than a solo album with the same streams. Of course people will take the deal and get their little million. But the point is that the company is pocketing the money YOU deserve percentage wise.... They are trying to give 3 year twice a week podcasters, less money than an 18 year old rapper advance :mjlol: When the pod is doing Drake numbers
 

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He's been doing podcast for over a decade... add in streaming on all platforms beyond just youtube... add in the complex show ... add in music...add in the home video vlogs he did before anyone. His last 100 videos are hitting 500k on youtube alone. You might not agree, and he's not at a billion but he's closing in on that bytch :yeshrug: ask yourself if its okay for Joe Rogan to get bread, then why is everyone around him saying its not okay... but not saying that to Joe Rogan? Should you not get the amount of money you deserve? If I'm in my Prime and I have 500 mill... and you offer me 30mill, why would I take that when I'm bringing you the machine? My machine does numbers and is here to stay so why would you undervalue that?

The dumb shyt people arent seeing is that JBP was independent... you arent saying anything new with that shyt. The point is securing the bag and getting a fair deal.... like I said... if Joe Rogan's boys are saying go independent and fight for your worth... how come they arent saying that to Joe Rogan? You dont even need to put Joe Budden into the convo... why cover for Rogan and give him his publishing but then say fukk the next man and short change him? How can it be one way but everyone says look the other way... that shyt dont add up. Joe was absolutely right about the Howard Stern/Oprah shyt.... you get the bag and then dictate your worth from what you bring to the table. You got shytty business practices if you dont want to deal because you cant exploit someone. Joe is making spotify all this bread FOR FREE... they dont even gotta do shyt. :wow: and they are still like "Yeah but we dont want to let you know how much you're actually worth... and we want ownership of what you create... and here's 40% of what you're asking for" I dont see how anyone saying fukk that can be wrong. If you had a Corvette in a garage with 20k miles... would you sell it to me for 8k because of what Kelly Bluebook says? or would that corvette still be worth 40k damn near to you? Business looks bad if its not consistent, you cant pick and choose who you want to fukk over when you're bringing nothing to the table. A real proposal and deal would have sat with Joe and broke down the numbers and projection ... give him ballpark pay according to that break down. And cut a deal where spotify can still broadcast his older shows still, while letting him have ownership to distribute freely afterwards. Then they bank off doing nothing, new subscriptions, old episode streams etc. You cant lose money by just chilling and counting bread. Let that man cook and give him realistic numbers and pay accordingly while you sit back and collect.
im not a fan of Rogan...but Budden is much smaller than him.
He has like the #1 or #2 podcast out of every podcast.

Spotify had been trying to sign him for years...I guess they finally got their number up to where he couldnt have said no.

Like I said earlier in this thread..Joe just needs to show and prove on his own.
They obviously dont think he's worth it...so he has to do it himself.
 

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so you agree :yeshrug: I only disagree with the infinite number of subs shyt ...every artist on the planet has new fans every day. There's a thread right next to this one about "What makes Joe Rogan interesting" and 90% of the posts are people listening to his podcast for the first time. Now they have opened thousands of episodes to look through. Whether that means they just wanted to steal the quick subs or not, thats still bad business... not you in general. But people are acting like Spotify is microsoft. They bring nothing to the table, they upload your shyt and make shady deals. The software and code is already there all they have to do is update the main page. They do not invest any money into shyt :russ: If I'm buying bricks and you are my runner ... and you are selling out quick... I get you more bricks. I dont give you less bricks:mjlol: I agree with the sentiment that the company can do what they want, which is what most people are saying. But the point is if you are trying to grow yourself and the company, how can you blame the runner putting up numbers? Even salesman get commission, dont hide the numbers and skew the worth ... that's not just terrible business... that shouldnt be tolerated on any level


Most people are saying the same thing here but from a different angle. Joe is already independent, he's trying to tap into a well oiled machine and partner with something. But he's showing that they are beyond grimey ... its not about Him or Spotify.... its about regulating the abuse of power by corporations. If everyone would get on the same page, they would be forced to give people their actual worth. Joe said it himself on an episode, coming from music... how do I have 1 episode with as many streams as a whole album. But I get paid more for the album and not the episode. He's basically going gold every single week. So the value of a podcast should be higher than a solo album with the same streams. Of course people will take the deal and get their little million. But the point is that the company is pocketing the money YOU deserve percentage wise.... They are trying to give 3 year twice a week podcasters, less money than an 18 year old rapper advance :mjlol: When the pod is doing Drake numbers
i disagree with the bold.

How much is a stream worth if it's not monetized in an optimal way?

When you sell albums, you are exchanging cash for a tape/CD/digital files. Where the money comes from is clearer.

When it comes to streams, you are selling the attention of listeners and viewers to advertisers. Songs go into different playlists, are shorter, more opportunities to put ads in between, etc. Podcast not as much. The advantage of podcasting is that you could get sponsor money. Spotify does male any money off of that with joe. So even if he's "going gold" there is little money generated.
 

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Lol dude, huh...


Joe Budden screams for weeks about how Spotify is fukking him in a deal that he was literally involved in creating


Someone implies that Joe did bad business (again)

And this is your takeaway? LOL



I’m a fan, been a fan since literally the mixtape circuit when Joe was doing tapes with Envy and DJ on point..

still a fan, but he clearly has a history of this shyt and always points the finger at everyone else. It’s habitual. Won’t stop me from being a fan, but I’m not about to lie to myself. It’s clear as day


The one thing I sort of disagree with is that... Joe didn't say the deal he originally had with Spotify was bad, they were praising it at first. But The renegotiation deal seemed to be bad, but that's a whole different case.

The issue I see with Joe constantly is that he always wants to have control in the deal yet still wants the bag as well. That doesn't mean he can't get both but usually with more control gained, the less guaranteed money you'll get. If you want more money upfront, you usually gotta give up some level of control It appears Joe doesn't want to give up either...
 

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He's been doing podcast for over a decade... add in streaming on all platforms beyond just youtube... add in the complex show ... add in music...add in the home video vlogs he did before anyone. His last 100 videos are hitting 500k on youtube alone. You might not agree, and he's not at a billion but he's closing in on that bytch :yeshrug: ask yourself if its okay for Joe Rogan to get bread, then why is everyone around him saying its not okay... but not saying that to Joe Rogan? Should you not get the amount of money you deserve? If I'm in my Prime and I have 500 mill... and you offer me 30mill, why would I take that when I'm bringing you the machine? My machine does numbers and is here to stay so why would you undervalue that?

The dumb shyt people arent seeing is that JBP was independent... you arent saying anything new with that shyt. The point is securing the bag and getting a fair deal.... like I said... if Joe Rogan's boys are saying go independent and fight for your worth... how come they arent saying that to Joe Rogan? You dont even need to put Joe Budden into the convo... why cover for Rogan and give him his publishing but then say fukk the next man and short change him? How can it be one way but everyone says look the other way... that shyt dont add up. Joe was absolutely right about the Howard Stern/Oprah shyt.... you get the bag and then dictate your worth from what you bring to the table. You got shytty business practices if you dont want to deal because you cant exploit someone. Joe is making spotify all this bread FOR FREE... they dont even gotta do shyt. :wow: and they are still like "Yeah but we dont want to let you know how much you're actually worth... and we want ownership of what you create... and here's 40% of what you're asking for" I dont see how anyone saying fukk that can be wrong. If you had a Corvette in a garage with 20k miles... would you sell it to me for 8k because of what Kelly Bluebook says? or would that corvette still be worth 40k damn near to you? Business looks bad if its not consistent, you cant pick and choose who you want to fukk over when you're bringing nothing to the table. A real proposal and deal would have sat with Joe and broke down the numbers and projection ... give him ballpark pay according to that break down. And cut a deal where spotify can still broadcast his older shows still, while letting him have ownership to distribute freely afterwards. Then they bank off doing nothing, new subscriptions, old episode streams etc. You cant lose money by just chilling and counting bread. Let that man cook and give him realistic numbers and pay accordingly while you sit back and collect.
Budden and Rogan have very different types of shows.

Rogan has 1 on 1, 3hour convos with people from different areas of life, fields, etc.

Budden has a current affairs type show with a core group and no guests (rare guests)

Not saying one is better than the other. What i will say is that say you discover the rogan show for the first time, you are probably able to watch year old episodes with guests you are curious about.

If you discover the budden podcast, you are probably not gonna watch old episodes of them talking about outdated news. You will just start from where you're at.

Either way i don't think views are worth that much UNLESS you leverage it into money. So unless joe rogan is sharing so ad money with them, i don't see how they make money off him. I guess they ran the numbers as far as future subs projections, ad money, opportunity to bring in other pods because of it, etc and the numbers probably made sense.

Budden refuses to shate ad money, refuses to share sponsor money, probably peaked as far as getting spotify new subs. How much is his high streams count worth to them? Why exactly would spotify sign him for a high amount a second time?

Now armed with analytics, he might be able to go to another dsp, show them how much he could grow their platform as far as pods, etc and then it would make sense.

I'm just saying shyt though. I have no idea what these people's contracts actually say or how much they make.
 

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I think cause he makes off color comments about black ppl , never mind he makes the same comments about any and everybody. I've never really heard nothing too bad. But I also don't dissect and over analyze stuff comedians say. Seems like a lot of ppl on the coli just want an echo chamber.


This is kind of true.

Schultz is a comedian AND a contrarian. He will literally critique and shyt on anything or anyone. However the fact he does so many podcasts and content with Black and Brown people and is from NY the topics tend to be skewwed towards black and brown areas of culture, hence his constant remarks about it.

If he was on an all white podcast, he'd be like Ari Shaffir.


But Charla and Schultz ARE friends and legitimately give each other credibility in other areas, which is why the podcast works.
 

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no they weren't, stop it man log off fakkit the turn podcast didn't even exists when joe budden was doing just that, nobody was doing it period let alone "famous people" whatever that means

only washed up stars do podcast nobody in their prime lmao, fake ass african
What are you even talking about? iTunes had a podcast section in 2005 and Ricky Gervais even won a podcast award for most downloaded podcast

Also brilliant idiots came out in 2014...

Joe budden podcast came out a year after in 2015

Breh u really don't know what Ur talking about do you?
 
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