Angie Martinez interview with 2Pac (Text excerpts from book)

[Big Skilly Films]

nikka they said it out they own mouth. And listen to the fukkin LYRICS in the song. It don't match the video at all. They said that they switched the video up when that shyt happened.

and you believe that too...where in the song is it a tribute? cause no one out here took it as a tribute...

 

[spliz]

and you believe that too...where in the song is it a tribute? cause no one out here took it as a tribute...

I know cause nikkas was blinded by the bullshyt. And Biggie didnt help by doing that dumb shyt and hoppin on the radio. Snoop and DPG maintained that they was cool wit Biggie. I even had a bunch of u nikkas on here arguing that they was cooler wit Biggie than wit Pac. Now all of a sudden. When I get at Biggie for doin some dumb shyt. The narrative changes? Like I said I can't have a convo wit a bunch of nikkas who obviously have a serious bias. Biggie did nothing wrong. Pac did everything wrong. Lol. fukk outta here. Biggie could've also dialed back after Pac died. Guess what Biggie did? He dissed him more blatantly than he ever did when he was alive. In LA I might add. On the radio. But yea. Biggie would never start no shyt. Smh.

 

[Bigsuk]

nikka they said it out they own mouth. And listen to the fukkin LYRICS in the song. It don't match the video at all. They said that they switched the video up when that shyt happened.

"New York New York big city of dreams
And everything in New York ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled if you come from out of town" how is that some kinda tribute ?? Like i said am not talking about snoop kicking down buildings cause i know that came later on wen they were shot at .... But just going off everything else how can you say that was a clear tribute ?? .... Me personallly will always think that snoop n dpg thought it was gona be on some lyrical battle rap beef but as soon as shyt got real n bullets started flying they waved the white flag and back peddled about everything

 

[Big Skilly Films]

I know cause nikkas was blinded by the bullshyt. And Biggie didnt helped by doing that dumb shyt and hoppin on the radio. Snoop and DPG maintained that they was cool wit Biggie. I even had a bunch of u nikkas on here arguing that they was cooler wit Biggie than wit Pac. Now all of a sudden. When I get at Biggie for doin some dumb shyt. The narrative changes? Like I said I can't have a convo wit a bunch of nikkas who obviously have a serious bias. Biggie did nothing wrong. Pac did everything wrong. Lol. fukk outta here.

nah they thought they were going to be slick come out here and diss ny with the song while out in ny? it makes no sense for them to turn it into a diss video if they were really actually doing it as a tribute...ny nikkas put a stop to that shyt quick...cause in reality even if they thought it was bigs peoples doing the shooting why you gotta diss nyc? why not just diss big? dont let them fool you with the ol okey doke "it was a tribute but ya busted guns at us so we made it a diss"

 

[spliz]

"New York New York big city of dreams
And everything in New York ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled if you come from out of town" how is that some kinda tribute ?? Like i said am not talking about snoop kicking down buildings cause i know that came later on wen they were shot at .... But just going off everything else how can you say that was a clear tribute ?? .... Me personallly will always think that snoop n dpg thought it was gona be on some lyrical battle rap beef but as soon as shyt got real n bullets started flying they waved the white flag and back peddled about everything

So u agree they backpeddled? And u agree they had issues wit Biggie and New York? Cause according to the bias nikkas in this thread. They was cooler wit Biggie than Pac was. So they understand why Snoop said he was cool wit them on the radio. See. If u look at all the facts. nikkas is full of shyt. And no matter what. Biggie comes out to be right. I was arguing nikkas down cause I was saying how could a nikka be cool wit a nikka who sent goons at em. nikkas was posting Pics of DPG hanging out wit Biggie back n the day. So which one is it? Lol.

 

[Dirty D]

Care to explain? I know about the reality shows but of course i never watched it. I dont watch reality shows and why would i watch a Hot97 reality show? But care to explain what u mean?

Management made a deal with VH1 to do a reality show called "This is Hot 97" which was cancelled after one season. None of the on-air talent in the show wanted to do the show but were pressured by management to sign on. The program director, Ebro, refused to get involved on their behalf, and then when the show came out he was the star of the show.

 

[spliz]

nah they thought they were going to be slick come out here and diss ny with the song while out in ny? it makes no sense for them to turn it into a diss video if they were really actually doing it as a tribute...ny nikkas put a stop to that shyt quick...cause in reality even if they thought it was bigs peoples doing the shooting why you gotta diss nyc? why not just diss big? dont let them fool you with the ol okey doke "it was a tribute but ya busted guns at us so we made it a diss"

Bruh. nikkas was tryna convince me I was wrong for callin Snoop a bytch for backtracking on the beef. Saying how Biggie was cooler wit DPG than Pac was. All kinda shyt. And DPG said they was always cool wit Biggie too. So. Who do nikkas believe? Cause Biggie for damn sure hopped on the radio and had them nikkas aired out. Lol

 

[Bigsuk]

I know cause nikkas was blinded by the bullshyt. And Biggie didnt helped by doing that dumb shyt and hoppin on the radio. Snoop and DPG maintained that they was cool wit Biggie. I even had a bunch of u nikkas on here arguing that they was cooler wit Biggie than wit Pac. Now all of a sudden. When I get at Biggie for doin some dumb shyt. The narrative changes? Like I said I can't have a convo wit a bunch of nikkas who obviously have a serious bias. Biggie did nothing wrong. Pac did everything wrong. Lol. fukk outta here. Biggie could've also dialed back after Pac died. Guess what Biggie did? He dissed him more blatantly than he ever did when he was alive. In LA I might add. On the radio. But yea. Biggie would never start no shyt. Smh.

Ill take an unbias approach to this , yes i agree biggie fukked up instigating that on the radio he shouldnt have done that , badboy should not have been in l.a so soon after pacs murder the thing is , that doug young deathrow/ruthless promoter said 1 ov the realest things reguarding it - the radio nikkas in l.a gave badboy some stupid false sense ov secruity telling them it was all love which we know wasnt true ...... N i agree badboy were pracing about l.a kinda been smug cause pac was dead n suge was locked up they felt the danger was gone , that sway interview/ freestyle biggie did was a huge mistake how he apprached the whole interview etc .... As far as the hate biggie was getting tho .. Again who spread that lie about biggie been somehow involoved in pacs 94 shooting Pac suporters n fans were riding heavy on biggie over what pac was saying but truthfully it was a lie all along n thats something you wont admit .... U cant tell me biggie didnt get no major backlash from the media from pac putting biggie on blast n biggie did nothing to pac but look out for him around certain cats from ny .... Thats where i dont respect pacs actions espically since it was a lie ....

 

[Bigsuk]

So u agree they backpeddled? And u agree they had issues wit Biggie and New York? Cause according to the bias nikkas in this thread. They was cooler wit Biggie than Pac was. So they understand why Snoop said he was cool wit them on the radio. See. If u look at all the facts. nikkas is full of shyt. And no matter what. Biggie comes out to be right. I was arguing nikkas down cause I was saying how could a nikka be cool wit a nikka who sent goons at em. nikkas was posting Pics of DPG hanging out wit Biggie back n the day. So which one is it? Lol.

I havent even addressed snoop but since you brought him up yes ...... He wanted to play bothsides , and since he wanted to be friends with everyone involoved it just didnt and wouldnt work everyone involoved would look at him and think " can i really trust this nikka " .... I get where snoops mindframe was from going though the murder case ... To beating the case n not wanting to be dragged into any more beef but wen real war shyt is going on mainly the puffy vs suge beef since that was the realer beef in that ... N since he was snoops boss ... Wtf could snoop do ....

 

[spliz]

Ill take an unbias approach to this , yes i agree biggie fukked up instigating that on the radio he shouldnt have done that , badboy should not have been in l.a so soon after pacs murder the thing is , that doug young deathrow/ruthless promoter said 1 ov the realest things reguarding it - the radio nikkas in l.a gave badboy some stupid false sense ov secruity telling them it was all love which we know wasnt true ...... N i agree badboy were pracing about l.a kinda been smug cause pac was dead n suge was locked up they felt the danger was gone , that sway interview/ freestyle biggie did was a huge mistake how he apprached the whole interview etc .... As far as the hate biggie was getting tho .. Again who spread that lie about biggie been somehow involoved in pacs 94 shooting Pac suporters n fans were riding heavy on biggie over what pac was saying but truthfully it was a lie all along n thats something you wont admit .... U cant tell me biggie didnt get no major backlash from the media from pac putting biggie on blast n biggie did nothing to pac but look out for him around certain cats from ny .... Thats where i dont respect pacs actions espically since it was a lie ....

shyt was allegedly a lie. It might not have been a lie in Pac's eyes AT FIRST. and then again. Pac went back and tried to clear it up why he was beefing wit Biggie. After the real info became more clear. U nikkas watching a nikka tryna find answered in front of the world and wonder why things got switched up and contradictory. EVERYBODY played a part in the whole east/west beef n shyt like that. And nikkas try to put ALL the blame on Pac. I acknowledge Pac's wrongs. Nobody wants to acknowledge Biggie's.

 

[VladTheImpaler]

Right from the start I could see that he was far more articulate and calculated than I was. And at this point, way more seasoned than me . I could have asked him anything. He already knew what he wanted to say. He answered my questions, but he also was very clear about what he wanted to get out of this. He had some shyt to say, and he was using me as the vehicle to do that.

ANGIE: So are you saying that you do not have a beef with New York? TUPAC: Nah . . . I have a beef with anybody in my way , anybody that’ll come against me that feel like they could criticize me because they bought my album. That feel like just because they read an interview that they know who I am— I have a beef with them interfering with me getting my money. I got a beef with Wendy Williams saying I got raped in jail because that disrespected me, my family , and what I represent. I got a beef with New York rappers just saying whatever they wanna say about where I’m from . . .

He went off, continuing his laundry list, which finally came around to the main beef. And because I still didn’t fully understand, I asked exactly how his relationship with Biggie had gotten so bad and what exactly Biggie had done.

TUPAC: He acted like he didn’t know what happened when I got shot. He didn’t know what happened. I was tripping out. I was buggin’. I must’ve been fukkin’ on drugs when I got operated on. This nikka only got shot once. He was acting like a movie when he came upstairs . That type of shyt ? It’s going down . . . Puffy’s the one that really . . . snapped me back to my senses. When this punk muthafukka said “Thug Life you gon’ be a thug, you gotta be a thug forever you can’t go in and out of it.” Okay, now when a cream puff nikka like that tell me that, it’s time to ride. ’Cause I had legitimately just walked away from the shyt. I was gonna take my shots and move on. I already knew what happened. Only thing that pissed me off is when nikkas tried to make me seem like I was buggin’ or bullshytting like I just shot myself. Nobody knew what happened. That’s what really made just me trip the fukk out. And then Mobb Deep doing shows and they introducing people onstage like this the nikka that shot ’Pac.

ANGIE: Where was that?
TUPAC: In Queens ! It get real deep and everybody involved know it get deep.

This is basically what it is— fear is stronger than love. His point was that New York was an innocent bystander. And there was no question where the battle lines had been drawn for him.

Book is dope af, cop that shyt brehs!

 

[Bigsuk]

shyt was allegedly a lie. It might not have been a lie in Pac's eyes AT FIRST. and then again. Pac went back and tried to clear it up why he was beefing wit Biggie. After the real info became more clear. U nikkas watching a nikka tryna find answered in front of the world and wonder why things got switched up and contradictory. EVERYBODY played a part in the whole east/west beef n shyt like that. And nikkas try to put ALL the blame on Pac. I acknowledge Pac's wrongs. Nobody wants to acknowledge Biggie's.

Ive just stated where biggie fukked up , it was a lie ... Pac knew before he was sentenced to prison puffy and biggie had nothing to do with his 94 shooting and soley just jimmy henchman..... Then he was in prison telling vibe how everyone there that nite was in on it ... It was a saving face lie thats it .. No allegedly nothing ..... Like i said pacs an amazing talker but thats it some fans beileve everyword he said .... Telling ya had pac lived another 5 or 10 years nikkas would see that pac was lieing about bigge all along n he would be on some talk show saying how wrong and sorry he is for his actions ..... Like i said i love pacs music and respect some ov the shyt he stood for as far as the panther - militant shyt he talked about , what i dont respect is him putting nikkas on blast that tryed to look out for him n the things he was saying he had litrally nothing to back up what he was saying ... N it spread like wild fire

 

[DarkmanX]

Management made a deal with VH1 to do a reality show called "This is Hot 97" which was cancelled after one season. None of the on-air talent in the show wanted to do the show but were pressured by management to sign on. The program director, Ebro, refused to get involved on their behalf, and then when the show came out he was the star of the show.

Gotcha. Hadnt he stepped down as the PD already by the time that show came on tho? He stepped down in the beginning of 2014
and became a on-air personality. Maybe thats why he ended up becoming one of the stars of the show.

 

[Dirty D]

Gotcha. Hadnt he stepped down as the PD already by the time that show came on tho? He stepped down in the beginning of 2014
and became a on-air personality. Maybe thats why he ended up becoming one of the stars of the show.

He was on-air and still the interim program director at this time.

 

[Mac Casper]

problem is....
their are (2) different individuals on both sides of the fences that say it was (1) shot, and (1) shot only



so u bascially agreeing with prodigy
ALL this shyt was strictly about entertainment using biggie puff badboy as a marketing promotion scheme

No, you want "ALL this shyt" to be strictly entertainment. Tupac had a genuine anger for Biggie and Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a muthaphukkin crew. Your insistence at throwing your personal agenda on as goggles is the reason you're never going to see the situation clearly. You're going to try to push it to everyone you get a chance to talk to and you'll have very low results in succeeding in influencing people who know what was going on. To assume Tupac didn't have any feelings about the situation would be to assume he was inhuman. Also there are multiple accounts of The Source Awards confrontation . . those weren't TMZ days. People said Tupac was genuinely angry, I believe the word "livid" was used. How he felt in February and how he came to feel about it in August are two different things, because complex individuals that go through situations like that can change how they feel about things, rather than push their jaded agenda 20 years later. Basically you're saying you don't like the way Tupac felt about it. Tupac didn't feel the way you would've felt about it or how you feel he should feel about it

But wally ,i didnt say everything at once, ... But this so called plot ov revenge ... That pac wanted againest certain cats from ny he was going about it the totally wrong way that isnt my logic its fuking common sense .... You dont be going to war trying to play checkers with various enimies yet telling magazines and interviewers and blatantly putting it in songs about every little detail how is that smart ?? ..... Face it pac was an entertainer who had amazing potential but because ov his actions and because he coudnt stay in his lane got him caught up in street situations that could have been avioded .......

Do me a favor and read this post twice. This so called "plot of revenge" that you reference only exists in your head, it exists in the plot of music videos - an entertainment medium as Tupac was (ding) and entertainer. It was used as entertainment. Once again your whole rhetoric on what he should've done would only benefit him if there was a "so called plot for revenge". Seeing as we both know there was no "plot of revenge" then we shouldn't be arguing about how he should've handled things if he wanted to enact a "plot of revenge" - you're arguing about a hypothetical scenario, it's really amazing that you don't see that.

Once again, you've ordered a whopper and you're complaining that there's no Big Mac sauce and on some level I think you do see it but you're so invested in your rhetoric that you don't want to let it go. You came from the drive thru, parked your car and thought about everything you were gonna say once you walked in, you were going to give them a "piece of your mind", you already knew everything you were gonna say as you walked in. You're up at the counter arguing with the Burger King manager about there being no Big Mac sauce and then it hits, you didn't order a Big Mac . . you're not even at the right place to order a Big Mac , but you already initiated the complaint and you don't wanna stop now. Even though you know a whopper shouldn't have Big Mac sauce

#WallyWisdom