Any of y'all feel like advanced stats are ruining sports now?

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Idk man..when i watch sports live or even games on tv I dont hear none of that shyt. So no.

 

[StatUS]

Only in Basketball, shyt has no place there.

What are some advanced football stats?

 

[Charlie Broadway]

I don't get the big deal. People bring up advanced stats without proper context just like people have been (and still are) bringing up bare boxscore stats without proper context. What we have now isn't perfect but it does help to confirm or discover things that happen between the lines. Any gm that isn't using any tool available to assist him in doing his job is doing a disservice to his franchise.

And the whole 1,000 yard season being unimpressive isn't new. It's been said since the season was lengthened way back in the day allowing more guys to scrape together 1,000 yard seasons. On what planet is rushing for 1k in 16 games impressive as compared to doing it 12 games? Plus, like the poster above stated this isn't even an advanced stat.

 

[HarlemUSA]

Sometimes, some people use the stats without watching the game. If I haven't seen the game I'm not making any comments.

 

[Flight]

In basketball yes. You can keep your advance metrics & etc..It's easy to tell by the eye test if a guy can play or not.

 

[triplehate]

How could a stat ruin a sport? If you see advance statistics its by your own choice. Its definitely not in your face during the broadcast.


Edit: But now that I think about this is the same place that said i was a nerd for wanting to see football footage from the all-22 cam. You cant tell what the fukk is really going on from a broadcast cam.

 

[Reggie]

I think it has helped and hurt when it comes to measuring players. But a lot of things are just common sense and the eye can see who are the best players in most sports. In basketball it's just common sense to think that a player who gets 20 a game on 15 shots with 50 percent shooting is better and more efficient than one that gets 30 points on 25 shots.

 

[chuckifubuck]

That 62 yards per game shyt isn't an advanced stat though average yards per game is some shyt I'm sure has been around for years

Advanced stats are exactly the same as regular stats. The only reason you feel more comfortable using FG% than TS% is because one of them has been around longer. But its the same exact shyt, numbers that tell you something about an aspect of a players game.

Now some shyt like defensive win shares is bullshyt to me because it gives bad defenders credit for being on good defensive teams and gives you stuff like boozer being in the top 15. But there are a whole bunch of regular stats in sports that are useless as well (RBI).

Really, its just a bunch of nikkas scared of change in here

 

[DallasTxRep]

I don't think it's ruining sports

 

[Charlie Broadway]

When you think about how the NFL is pretty much devoid of slow white boys,is pass happy and athletes now are far superior to ones back in the day... it's actually harder to crack 1,000 yards.

when did something that 10-15 players do a season, become something that's not really an accomplishment?

Breh...coaches have always put their best pure athletes at skill positions. The only way this would even kinda make sense is if the athleticism of running backs stayed the same while other positions have gotten bigger, stronger and faster. If anything some of these scat backs are more difficult to tackle because of the proliferation of spread offenses that have allowed them to run with so much more space than guys had back in the day when all of their runs where off tackle left, off tackle right, 3 yards and a cloud of dust up the middle for the first down.

Also, I briefly checked old league leaders on pro-football-reference and there is not much difference in the amount of rushing attempts from 2012 to 2000 to 1990 to 1980. In fact it looks like most of the leaders in rushing attempts have a slight increase in carries.

 

[FTBS]

When you think about how the NFL is pretty much devoid of slow white boys,is pass happy and athletes now are far superior to ones back in the day... it's actually harder to crack 1,000 yards.

when did something that 10-15 players do a season, become something that's not really an accomplishment?

But is it an advanced stat though? I will acknowledget that with the way the game is played now that it is more noteworthy than it was 20, 15, or even 10 years ago (although still not what it was when cats were doing it in 12 games) but I still don't see what that has to do with advanced stats.

 

[Kal El]

Becoming more informed = ruining sports........

The NFL has these new rules in place to make it a more offensive oriented game.

You got a bum like Matt Stafford etching his name into history books for throwing over 5,000 yards.

That's why 1,000 yard seasons aren't as impressive anymore.

 

[TrillaMonsoon]

Its not running sports or bringing the quality.of play down.

Its generally used by writers and scouts to get a better understanding of the whole league and making it easier to find specialized talent.

I don't really follow them because I like to watch the games and let my eyes tell me what stats usually miss. I know the games and can talk about them but I'll never carry around a list of numbers to try and prove my point.

It makes the fans who don't follow the numbers confused but its just a way for white folks to put a metric on how to "rate" players. At the end of the day it doesn't matter because the best players will be the best. No unknown player will have crazy advanced stats so its just another list to make and compare players too

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Breh...coaches have always put their best pure athletes at skill positions. The only way this would even kinda make sense is if the athleticism of running backs stayed the same while other positions have gotten bigger, stronger and faster. If anything some of these scat backs are more difficult to tackle because of the proliferation of spread offenses that have allowed them to run with so much more space than guys had back in the day when all of their runs where off tackle left, off tackle right, 3 yards and a cloud of dust up the middle for the first down.

Also, I briefly checked old league leaders on pro-football-reference and there is not much difference in the amount of rushing attempts from 2012 to 2000 to 1990 to 1980. In fact it looks like most of the leaders in rushing attempts have a slight increase in carries.

The best athletes are on the perimeter and play defense now...not to mention how more and more teams are going away from the single workhorse system to having a two back tandem that do most of the running.

in an era where 4,000 yard passers are the norm...we're gonna say that running for 1,000 is just some lazy man type shyt and not worthy of any recognition? backs now are arguably doing alot more, with less carries.

 

[Charlie Broadway]

The best athletes are on the perimeter and play defense now...not to mention how more and more teams are going away from the single workhorse system to having a two back tandem that do most of the running.

in an era where 4,000 yard passers are the norm...we're gonna say that running for 1,000 is just some lazy man type shyt and not worthy of any recognition? backs now are arguably doing alot more, with less carries.

The best athletes have ALWAYS played skill positions. Coaches weren't idiots who pigeonholed all of their talent on the offensive side. There's no way you can prove what you're saying. You had to have and still do need a certain skill set to play offense. They weren't going to stick some fast, shifty dude at RB if he had no vision or fumbled all of the time. They weren't gonna stick some fast guy at WR even if he couldn't catch or run routes. Deion Sanders is one of the greatest athletes of all time. Night Train was one of the best physical specimens to play and that was in the 50s. I can go on and on and that's just cornerbacks.

You keep speaking about carries but I just looked and what you're saying isn't true. Maybe it is once you go further down the list running backs but the league leaders in attempts (and not just THE league leader) are still in the same range. Hell the Texans almost had 2 1,000 yard rushers a couple years ago. You also aren't taking into account the faster pace of the game which allows for more plays. I wouldn't be surprised if the length of games have increased due to more plays being squeezed in.