Any of y'all feel like advanced stats are ruining sports now?

[MegaTronBomb!]

The best athletes have ALWAYS played skill positions. Coaches weren't idiots who pigeonholed all of their talent on the offensive side. There's no way you can prove what you're saying. You had to have and still do need a certain skill set to play offense. They weren't going to stick some fast, shifty dude at RB if he had no vision or fumbled all of the time. They weren't gonna stick some fast guy at WR even if he couldn't catch or run routes. Deion Sanders is one of the greatest athletes of all time. Night Train was one of the best physical specimens to play and that was in the 50s. I can go on and on and that's just cornerbacks.

You keep speaking about carries but I just looked and what you're saying isn't true. Maybe it is once you go further down the list running backs but the league leaders in attempts (and not just THE league leader) are still in the same range. Hell the Texans almost had 2 1,000 yard rushers a couple years ago. You also aren't taking into account the faster pace of the game which allows for more plays. I wouldn't be surprised if the length of games have increased due to more plays being squeezed in.

Carries are going down. less and less players are getting 300+ carries like they did 5-7 years ago... not even counting the anomalies like Larry Johnson getting 400+ carries, the last two season have had the fewest players carry 300+ times in the last 10 years.

 

[Absolut]

lol @ understanding the game more ruining it. fukk kinda logic is that? all you "i go by the eye test and the eye test only i know whats going on out there" are doing a disservice to yourselves by not wanting to go a lil deeper, and actually see if what you see and analyze actually has any merit. 2 nba teams (celts/grizz) have already very publicly declared they are going the stat nerd route, and virtually every other team has an analytics guy on staff to crunch numbers and see what the most effective lineups/matchups are etc. if nba teams use these tools as a way to enhance/streamline their teams performance, but you think your eye test from your fukking couch is better analysis than these tools, then i dont know what to tell you. you are behind the curve. sure theres people who spout out metrics that have no clue what they mean. theres also WAY MORE people who flat out ignore those same metrics because they also dont know what they mean. can you actually sit there and say flat FG% is a better measurement of shooting than TS%? thats like saying batting average is a better measurement of hitting production than OPS

 

[Lakerman0834]

Advanced stats worst thing to happen in sports since it cant measure intangibles

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

It ruined sports arguments.

People with no knowledge of statistics citing stats to make insane leaps to conclusions

 

[Charlie Broadway]

Carries are going down. less and less players are getting 300+ carries like they did 5-7 years ago... not even counting the anomalies like Larry Johnson getting 400+ carries, the last two season have had the fewest players carry 300+ times in the last 10 years.

There's a reason for that breh. I'm not by my computer anymore but if you look back you'll see the period you're referencing had a spike in attempts for rushing leaders. The schedule shifted in 1978 I believe and if you look through the years you'll see the league leaders in rushing attempts have remained mostly the same and as I said earlier it appears that they've risen slightly. There was a reason people were bytching about the workloads of running backs at the time. 5-7 years is such a small sample size. Hell last year had more 300 carry rushers than the year before so I guess RB carries are on the rise again...

 

[unit321]

Advanced stats were originally meant for statisticians who are analying their players and the offense on a more granular level. That makes sense for offensive and defensive coordinators to scruitinize everything in order to win. However, news writers took some of that and put their spin on it. It's kind of cool to see these stats. Like So-and-so bats .313 against left-handers, but it depends, he can hit a home-run or strike out.

 

[Street Knowledge]

The only advanced stats necessary in NBA are

TS%/EFG
Team offensive and defensive rating

That's it

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

lol @ understanding the game more ruining it. fukk kinda logic is that? all you "i go by the eye test and the eye test only i know whats going on out there" are doing a disservice to yourselves by not wanting to go a lil deeper, and actually see if what you see and analyze actually has any merit. 2 nba teams (celts/grizz) have already very publicly declared they are going the stat nerd route, and virtually every other team has an analytics guy on staff to crunch numbers and see what the most effective lineups/matchups are etc. if nba teams use these tools as a way to enhance/streamline their teams performance, but you think your eye test from your fukking couch is better analysis than these tools, then i dont know what to tell you. you are behind the curve. sure theres people who spout out metrics that have no clue what they mean. theres also WAY MORE people who flat out ignore those same metrics because they also dont know what they mean. can you actually sit there and say flat FG% is a better measurement of shooting than TS%? thats like saying batting average is a better measurement of hitting production than OPS

I was never talking about how advanced stats tell the truth about players much more than a box score or just a simple statline.... i'm talking QBR and people bringing this shyt up in arguments....there is no fukking reason why cats in the barbershop should ever bring up some shyt like pure point rating in an argument of who's a better at playing point guard.


ESPN done rode this advanced stats shyt into another realm of fukkery.

that Lionel Hollins shyt was possibly the most bizarro world shyt i've ever heard happen in sports....

 

[Absolut]

well then change the thread title to ruining sports debates among uninformed fans then, because its certainly not ruining sports

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

it only ruins it if you let it. I pay that shyt no mind

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

2-2 in finals. 10 wins 13 losses.

 

[Brozay]

Advanced stats worst thing to happen in sports since it cant measure intangibles

advanced stats are the worst thing to happen in sports, REALLY?

 

[Malta]

The vast majority that don't like advanced stats in basketball only do so because it goes against what they believe. Take PER for example, most of the morons on here argue against it even though it's not saying who the better player is, simply who is more efficient.

Typical argument

"LOL, PER says blah blah blah is better than _____insert favorite player here_____"

No dipshyt, it just aggregates their stats and tells you who is more efficient in the time that they're on the floor.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

2-2 in finals. 10 wins 13 losses.

Not everybody can be a sidekick.

Just like not everybody can be a 4x MVP.

 

[mozichrome]

QBR and people bringing this shyt up in arguments....
ESPN done rode this advanced stats shyt into another realm of fukkery....

wasnt QBR created because QBs were getting credit for passes & WR doing most of work?
how is that bad when folks complain about the credit QBs be getting is not deserved