Any of yall into IFA/Santeria?

[010101]

I see the problem already, you're intertwining theology with spirituality (more so spiritual practices). the 2 aren't necessarily one and the same

you should always have knowledge of self and be one with the creator, but the actual metaphysical spiritual practices are what I meant when I say it's not for everyone things like divination is not meant to be practice by everyone, especially if you don't have the proper guidance or training for it

who decides who is meant to practice what¿

who decides what proper guidance or training is for something that cannot be tested or proven¿

is it a matter of belief & faith¿

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[MMS]

you are not very convincing ha

it's the opposite keeping it a buck

you like to feed into confusion for fun

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Yeah but confusion is a natural aspect of water, whether you see it or not. That said you can easily catch patterns. The religions you see are all caught patterns per se

Outside of that thread I stick gospels, but the more you meditate on them the more depth you will notice. It comes down to where you put your eggs. To me God dwells anywhere so pointing your finger and saying there he is, simply will never make sense. I just proved to y’all at the minimum that synchronicity is a thing especially Old Testament synchronicity. It’s not for the faint of heart tho, I’m glad you said something when you said it cause you are right in that the wrong person can get lost in the ideas without floaties

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

who decides who is meant to practice what¿

who decides what proper guidance or training is for something that cannot be tested or proven¿

is it a matter of belief & faith¿

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no one can decide but some people are more susceptible to others

anyone can play basketball but your genetics decide if you hit the genetic lottery to the league, the other half is you discipling yourself so you have the mental fortitude to hone your skills and stick around

just like everything else in life, people have a predisposition towards something call it talent or luck. The other half is you constantly sharpening tools you got in this life to make sure you excel in whatever field you're in

we say it all the time with the menial shyt folks do here. "why breh even rapping he trash he should stick to xyz like he's known for/good at"

 

[010101]

no one can decide but some people are more susceptible to others

anyone can play basketball but your genetics decide if you hit the genetic lottery to the league, the other half is you discipling yourself so you have the mental fortitude to hone your skills and stick around

just like everything else in life, people have a predisposition towards something call it talent or luck. The other half is you constantly sharpening tools you got in this life to make sure you excel in whatever field you're in

i see what you are saying

now imagine if basketball was treated as a mystery

bron wouldn't be great if there was no proven body of knowledge for him to build on

even if he had natural gifts to be great at something it would be highly unlikely he ever developed & utilized those gifts

why do the deities hide themselves from 99.9% of people¿

& why is the supposed will of all these deities changing from one priest to the next¿

for something supposed to be so important it is incredibly inaccurate & nebulous

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[MMS]

i see what you are saying

now imagine if basketball was treated as a mystery

bron wouldn't be great if there was no proven body of knowledge for him to build on

even if he had natural gifts to be great at something it would be highly unlikely he ever developed & utilized those gifts

why do the deities hide themselves from 99.9% of people¿

& why is the supposed will of all these deities changing from one priest to the next¿

for something supposed to be so important it is incredibly inaccurate & nebulous

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That’s why there is a huge difference between pagan understanding and judeo-christian

A “chthonic force” or unseen force is an inherently flawed idea to begin with, to me that’s why it makes little sense

Remember that post where I told you the origin of the word “God” was gatekeeper

 

[010101]

That’s why there is a huge difference between pagan understanding and judeo-christian

A “chthonic force” or unseen force is an inherently flawed idea to begin with, to me that’s why it makes little sense

Remember that post where I told you the origin of the word “God” was gatekeeper

there was never a time where the creator spoke to all creation clearly & equally

one message from one messenger with no way to lie or twist it

for all of history it has been 99.9% of people having to trust the hearsay from .1% of people that they know the creators will & have knowledge of the unseen mysteries that govern life

sounds fishy yeah¿

ha

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[GrindtooFilthy]

i see what you are saying

now imagine if basketball was treated as a mystery

bron wouldn't be great if there was no proven body of knowledge for him to build on

even if he had natural gifts to be great at something it would be highly unlikely he ever developed & utilized those gifts

why do the deities hide themselves from 99.9% of people¿

& why is the supposed will of all these deities changing from one priest to the next¿

for something supposed to be so important it is incredibly inaccurate & nebulous

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it's not there hidden it's just the this world and the next are tangential and require a medium to interact with each other

metaphysics calls this dimensions. moving across dimensions is tough. you're in 3d but your shadow is 2d. who's to say your 2d self does not follow their own thoughts and actions that they perceive they are doing themselves? A 4d being can perceive you but can you perceive a 4d being?

is it that their will that changes? or people distorting the truth for their own personal gain?

the bible has been constantly re-written who knows what true word of God is when pages are constantly torn out or added because it doesn't fit the council's own vision of what they THINK is divine

 

[Jimmy from Linkedin]

you probably would find every system of belief claiming the same

so who is right¿

who is wrong¿

& why can't they accept that they may need to change¿

deities can't learn improve & grow¿

if we go back to the beginning what was the original system of spirituality¿

if it was true how did we end up with all the differentiation & opinionated positions¿

spirituality/superstition for me lead's to more questioning & relies too much on belief

i am looking for what stays constant independent of what you believe

the truth should be true for us all & independent of our petty cultural differences

i am honestly searching..........

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give me some grace here... I am doing my best to respond to your post point to point as you wrote them out.

I think there is a real difference between what is "correct" and what is "right", said differently, what is "incorrect" and what is "wrong."

I haven't yet obtained the book, and i am looking for it because I have bookmarked it, but it does provide an contemporary overview of IFA that extends, for example, ogun as a deity of "metals" to things made with metal like planes, trains, computers. I've thought the same because in a lot of the odu the highest point of technology was the agrcultural hoe.

Since then I've come to understand the odu as allegory, much like how people intepret the bible.

What I've noticed about you through your posting is that you are extremely independent and usually come up with larger, more unique perspectives. I don't think you need to think of ogun as the war/metal divinity, nor as Sango as thunder. These are stories for children raised in a culture that eventually lets them understand that these are manifestations of the same spirit. The same as how we understand there is wind, then we understand a breeze, a summer breeze, gale-force, and then that "hawk" in chicago. It's all the same thing, but with slight variations at the moment. The stories help you remember patterns.

Religion is a cultural tool for managing a population of a variety of intellectual faculties. Those that can manage without the "call to prayer" manage, others need that structure because if they didn't they would succumb to their most base desires.

There is an old adage for questions, want better answers, ask better questions. You're asking better questions and I think you are on the right path. You've talked about the stock that you've come from before. If there is anyone "unchanged" for you to ask these better questions to, it would be to those people that've come before you, and not necessarily an aspect of spirit whose context is undoubtedly influenced by the person who is communicated their "existence" to you.

Keep searching.

 

[MMS]

there was never a time where the creator spoke to all creation clearly & equally

one message from one messenger with no way to lie or twist it

for all of history it has been 99.9% of people having to trust the hearsay from .1% of people that they know the creators will & have knowledge of the unseen mysteries that govern life

sounds fishy yeah¿

ha

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It depends on if you think God believes we need it

It also depends on how you envision how God moves. You aren’t born with language so even your thoughts are garbled early

The enormity of what God represents won’t make sense if you only consider your finite lifetime

 

[010101]

it's not there hidden it's just the this world and the next are tangential and require a medium to interact with each other

metaphysics calls this dimensions. moving across dimensions is tough. you're in 3d but your shadow is 2d. who's to say your 2d self does not follow their own thoughts and actions that they perceive they are doing themselves? A 4d being can perceive you but can you perceive a 4d being?

is it that their will that changes? or people distorting the truth for their own personal gain?

the bible has been constantly re-written who knows what true word of God is when pages are constantly torn out or added because it doesn't fit the council's own vision of what they THINK is divine

the facts should be clear

the truth should become more apparent when tested

belief & faith should not matter to what is real

i feel like i will be seeking as long as i am living & i am learning to be cool with that

ha

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[010101]

give me some grace here... I am doing my best to respond to your post point to point as you wrote them out.

I think there is a real difference between what is "correct" and what is "right", said differently, what is "incorrect" and what is "wrong."

I haven't yet obtained the book, and i am looking for it because I have bookmarked it, but it does provide an contemporary overview of IFA that extends, for example, ogun as a deity of "metals" to things made with metal like planes, trains, computers. I've thought the same because in a lot of the odu the highest point of technology was the agrcultural hoe.

Since then I've come to understand the odu as allegory, much like how people intepret the bible.

What I've noticed about you through your posting is that you are extremely independent and usually come up with larger, more unique perspectives. I don't think you need to think of ogun as the war/metal divinity, nor as Sango as thunder. These are stories for children raised in a culture that eventually lets them understand that these are manifestations of the same spirit. The same as how we understand there is wind, then we understand a breeze, a summer breeze, gale-force, and then that "hawk" in chicago. It's all the same thing, but with slight variations at the moment. The stories help you remember patterns.

Religion is a cultural tool for managing a population of a variety of intellectual faculties. Those that can manage without the "call to prayer" manage, others need that structure because if they didn't they would succumb to their most base desires.

There is an old adage for questions, want better answers, ask better questions. You're asking better questions and I think you are on the right path. You've talked about the stock that you've come from before. If there is anyone "unchanged" for you to ask these better questions to, it would be to those people that've come before you, and not necessarily an aspect of spirit whose context is undoubtedly influenced by the person who is communicated their "existence" to you.

Keep searching.

yeah maybe it's just i feel like the time for parables & pageantry is not right now ha*

 

[010101]

It depends on if you think God believes we need it

It also depends on how you envision how God moves. You aren’t born with language so even your thoughts are garbled early

The enormity of what God represents won’t make sense if you only consider your finite lifetime

who can guarantee me eternity to ponder¿ ha*

 

[MMS]

who can guarantee me eternity to ponder¿ ha*

You’re here right now? For all you know countless eternities pass when you move your body…if you want to begin thinking how I think

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

the facts should be clear

the truth should become more apparent when tested

belief & faith should not matter to what is real

i feel like i will be seeking as long as i am living & i am learning to be cool with that

ha

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Facts are only as clear as we understand them, even science isn't consistent they are constantly re-defining terms and phenomena to deepen their own understand of the physical world

people are still flabbergasted by the means in which the egyptians built the pyramids, to most people that might as well be magic or divine intervention

 

[010101]

if you want to begin thinking how I think

thanks but no thanks ha*

Facts are only as clear as we understand them, even science isn't consistent they are constantly re-defining terms and phenomena to deepen their own understand of the physical world

people are still flabbergasted by the means in which the egyptians built the pyramids, to most people that might as well be magic or divine intervention

word

ancient egyptians would lose their mind at the modern world as well

trying to see the current world through the filter of times long gone doesn't seem to be the way ha

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