Anybody watching the special on Bruce Jenner

[MostReal]

Ok, but how? Y'all keep parroting the same vague thing again: "it has an effect," "it has an effect," but so far not a single person here has been able to explain what that effect is. I already said why it wouldn't affect people like you and me. And I already said why it wouldn't affect children. So who else is there to affect, or how?

if something wasn't deemed normal but with this media push etc. and suddenly it is now 'acceptable'. It has had an affect on society. On a personal level, its all good til one of these dudes decides to coach a girls bb/track team and feels he 'has a right' to stay in the locker room while they change or worse shower because hey, "I'm a girl too, just a lesbian with a dikk."

I haven't even gotten to the sick b*stards that will use this to rape women. The lack of common sense displayed in here is pretty insane.

 

[spliz]

I just wanna know what happens when a straight man gets approached by a tranny or the other way around you get to know each other and so forth and they just so happen to neglect to tell you that they were born a man? Is it ok because they always identified as a woman? Being that society is shifting to the point that they don't even have to tell you isn't right. I don't think this is something that should be forced upon anyone.

I saw a recent episode of Catfish and dude got Catfished by a trannie and this fukkin idiot NEV said that the trannie doesn't have to tell the person they are talking to they are a trannie if he/she doesn't want to...I was like nikka that's the epitome of catfish and u as a host of the show is saying it's FINE!?!...they showed more sympathy to the trannie than the dude who was catfished...

 

[Amy Traphouse]

I'm just wondering why he looked fresh out of prison during that interview?

 

[Sk3ptical]

the tabloids are already going crazy with this

who read these things

 

[Londilon]

Man I really hope it ain't black people in here going on and on about transgender folks being discriminated against. I shouldn't have to explain why this is problematic.

Please explain your white cac logic

 

[King Kreole]

perhaps because it assumes God didn't know what He was doing when he created them. I mean, c'mon. A whole gender change is a lot and way more than homosexuality. It's the most extreme of changes set up beside nature that you can get with. I don't get it . Hormones, surgery...damn. too much.

So I take it you're against cleft palate surgery, Ventricular Septal Defect (hole in heart) surgery, spinal bifida surgery, or really any pediatric surgery as it would assume that God has made a mistake in creating that human? Yes, transgenderism is an "extreme" phenomenon, but no one is forcing you to undergo it. All that's asked is that you show compassion and understanding for a fellow human being who is struggling to live their life in a way that feels right for them. I can't imagine anything less holy than looking at someone suffering and rejecting them because you're uncomfortable with their struggle. As a Christian your first instinct should be compassion, not judgment.

dont compare this to what blacks have and continue to go through....there is no parallel/comparison...

Of course there is a parallel/comparison. Both groups have been, and continue to be, rejected by the majority of society due to ignorance and illogical fears. In fact, many of the arguments being used in here against transgendered people are verbatim aped from segregationist dogma. This does not mean that the struggles of the black community and the transgender community are of equal heft and breadth. But they're coming from the same place, and on an individual level, the pain that led that transgender child to take their own life is powerful and it is real. To negate it in service of hoarding victimhood is shameful. My experience as a black man living in a white supremacist society is an integral component of my support of other oppressed people, so I find it especially reprehensible when we see the same abuse happening to another group and instead of learning from our history, we pick up Master's whip and become the agents of abuse ourselves.

 

[fukkyalifestyle]

If you look at the kardashians career and everyone that comes in contact with them, weird shyt goes down.

 

[MadameMoreaux]

I remember reading a scientific article years ago that spoke about how the brain in a male to female trans person was more similar to a naturally born woman than it was to a naturally born man. I think this is a medical condition just like any other malady. People are born with 2 heads, too many toes/fingers, heart conditions, brain conditions etc. It's not too far off to say that someone could be born with a brain that doesn't match his/her body. It's unfortunate. These people should be free to live out their lives without discrimination

 

[SpringWater]

So I take it you're against cleft palate surgery, Ventricular Septal Defect (hole in heart) surgery, spinal bifida surgery, or really any pediatric surgery as it would assume that God has made a mistake in creating that human? Yes, transgenderism is an "extreme" phenomenon, but no one is forcing you to undergo it. All that's asked is that you show compassion and understanding for a fellow human being who is struggling to live their life in a way that feels right for them. I can't imagine anything less holy than looking at someone suffering and rejecting them because you're uncomfortable with their struggle. As a Christian your first instinct should be compassion, not judgment.

I cannot show understanding to something that I do not understand. I am not judging. It seems so extreme to hate the gender you were born with enough to want to surgically change it forever. If you are saying it's a disorder, then I do have compassion for that because people cannot help being born with certain disorders or developing them. However, I don't think the trans community wants it to be viewed as a disorder. Is that correct? If so, how is it to be viewed?

 

[King Kreole]

I cannot show understanding to something that I do not understand. I am not judging. It seems so extreme to hate the gender you were born with enough to want to surgically change it forever. If you are saying it's a disorder, then I do have compassion for that because people cannot help being born with certain disorders or developing them. However, I don't think the trans community wants it to be viewed as a disorder. Is that correct? If so, how is it to be viewed?

I'm not exactly sure how the trans community would like it to be defined (opinions within the community are probably varied on this issue), but I would sure classify it as a disorder. Their biology and identity are out of order. It does seem very extreme, but I know that if I woke up tomorrow in a woman's body, I'd be thoroughly uncomfortable and probably seek to realign myself.

 

[MadameMoreaux]

So I take it you're against cleft palate surgery, Ventricular Septal Defect (hole in heart) surgery, spinal bifida surgery, or really any pediatric surgery as it would assume that God has made a mistake in creating that human? Yes, transgenderism is an "extreme" phenomenon, but no one is forcing you to undergo it. All that's asked is that you show compassion and understanding for a fellow human being who is struggling to live their life in a way that feels right for them. I can't imagine anything less holy than looking at someone suffering and rejecting them because you're uncomfortable with their struggle. As a Christian your first instinct should be compassion, not judgment.



Of course there is a parallel/comparison. Both groups have been, and continue to be, rejected by the majority of society due to ignorance and illogical fears. In fact, many of the arguments being used in here against transgendered people are verbatim aped from segregationist dogma. This does not mean that the struggles of the black community and the transgender community are of equal heft and breadth. But they're coming from the same place, and on an individual level, the pain that led that transgender child to take their own life is powerful and it is real. To negate it in service of hoarding victimhood is shameful. My experience as a black man living in a white supremacist society is an integral component of my support of other oppressed people, so I find it especially reprehensible when we see the same abuse happening to another group and instead of learning from our history, we pick up Master's whip and become the agents of abuse ourselves.

IMO, being LGBT or whatever is disadvantageous for humans. Those conditions do not progress the human race or provide evolutionary advantage. It disrupts the very useful and beneficial structure of the family (man, wife, children). It's also very abstract. I will never be able to understand the feelings that drives someone to be gay or trans.
Meanwhile, having light/dark skin, curly/straight hair, light/dark eyes, has helped humans considerably. These traits don't interfere with the family structure or the workings of society. They've added significantly to our development as a whole. Having or lacking pigment is not an ailment. I do believe that being attracted to people you can't reproduce with is.

 

[MadameMoreaux]

I'm not exactly sure how the trans community would like it to be defined (opinions within the community are probably varied on this issue), but I would sure classify it as a disorder. Their biology and identity are out of order. It does seem very extreme, but I know that if I woke up tomorrow in a woman's body, I'd be thoroughly uncomfortable and probably seek to realign myself.

I agree.

 

[Heretic]

I saw a recent episode of Catfish and dude got Catfished by a trannie and this fukkin idiot NEV said that the trannie doesn't have to tell the person they are talking to they are a trannie if he/she doesn't want to...I was like nikka that's the epitome of catfish and u as a host of the show is saying it's FINE!?!...they showed more sympathy to the trannie than the dude who was catfished...

Yeah man, that's the shyt I'm talking about. Dude is gonna get himself killed one day. I saw that episode and I couldn't believe that shyt. Dude had every right to beat the shyt out of that tranny talking about I was afraid to tell him right away and nev cosigning that bullshyt. fukk outta here.

 

[King Kreole]

IMO, being LGBT or whatever is disadvantageous for humans. Those conditions do not progress the human race or provide evolutionary advantage. It disrupts the very useful and beneficial structure of the family (man, wife, children). It's also very abstract. I will never be able to understand the feelings that drives someone to be gay or trans.
Meanwhile, having light/dark skin, curly/straight hair, light/dark eyes, has helped humans considerably. These traits don't interfere with the family structure or the workings of society. They've added significantly to our development as a whole. Having or lacking pigment is not an ailment. I do believe that being attracted to people you can't reproduce with is.

Yeah the evolutionary angle is an interesting one, but let's look at it from a Malthusian perspective. The world is heavily overpopulated as it is. We're past our carrying capacity. So perhaps the rise of homosexuality can be seen as a Malthusian catastrophe, returning humanity to a sustainable population level, as long as the rate of homosexuality isn't overwhelmingly high. Homosexuality in this case would actually be working to progress the human race, as they're just as capable of providing crucial services in the progressive fields as heterosexuals, but without adding to the drain of resources by providing future children. Transgenderism is a different ball game because it doesn't necessarily affect the ability to reproduce, and therefore doesn't really differ from non-transgender people in any evolutionary sense. If the person was to remove their reproductive organ, then they would fall in line with the homosexuals of the previous example.

As for the family structure, human societies throughout history have had many different family structures. Some civilizations and cultures utilize communal child rearing, some utilize trans-generational child rearing, etc. The idea of the nuclear family is prevalent in modern Western society, but it's not some immutable standard for our species. It has and continues to work for us, but it is far from the only working model. Above all else, we're adaptable.

 

[SAJ!!]

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...jenner-comment-after-twitter-backlash-2015254
Kris Humphries really got backlash for what he said?

He really shouldn't have even apologized. Those same people who are getting on him about his tweet are the same people complaining about how the Kardashians are a cancer to our society.

Kris Humphries should have been commended for saying what everybody else is thinking and he's the one getting dogged out on twitter?

Like I said before, the days of keeping it 100 are slowing coming to an end.