anyone else find themselves questioning the monteal screw job?

[SuikodenII]

100% chance it would have happened...vince did it to wcw with flair in 92

Bret's loyalty was unmatched, The Undertaker is probably the only other guy who has that type of soldier mentality

He would not have taken the belt to a company he did not want to be apart of in the first place.

Vince made a bad decision that haunted Bret for the rest of his career. That's professional wrestling in a nutshell.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Bret's loyalty was unmatched, The Undertaker is probably the only other guy who has that type of soldier mentality

He would not have taken the belt to a company he did not want to be apart of in the first place.

Vince made a bad decision that haunted Bret for the rest of his career. That's professional wrestling in a nutshell.

He left wwf because of MONEY
Bischoff wouldve offered him..MONEY to do it


Brets loyalty is to himself and canada...he gives a fukk about nothin else especially vince mcmahon

The idea that he would just hand the belt over on raw is proposterous

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

He left wwf because of MONEY
Bischoff wouldve offered him..MONEY to do it


Brets loyalty is to himself and canada...he gives a fukk about nothin else especially vince mcmahon

The idea that he would just hand the belt over on raw is proposterous

Bret's loyalty was to Vince, at that time. He left WWF because Vince was going broke and he told him to get as much as he could out of a WCW contract. Bret has an ego but he's not a self-serving a$$hole. He's fair and balanced. :ppvbro:

Even after all the shyt that's gone down, he still says he would've never shown up on Nitro with the belt. Why lie after getting screwed over and after blaming them for Owen's death and all the trash talking both sides did before he returned? If he was gonna do it, why at some point was he never like "Yeah... I was really gonna trash that shyt on Nitro. "

I agree that handing over the belt would be preposterous in the sense that most people wouldn't have even offered to do that. It was in Vince's character to do something like that, so he assumed Bret would do it, too. Bret could've tried to fukked things up for more money to work one more night and do one more job like Jarrett did.

 

[SuikodenII]

He left wwf because of MONEY
Bischoff wouldve offered him..MONEY to do it


Brets loyalty is to himself and canada...he gives a fukk about nothin else especially vince mcmahon

The idea that he would just hand the belt over on raw is proposterous

Very uninformed opinion of the people involved and their history. Eric made offers to Bret countless times and Bret flat-out refused them and went to Vince for advice. For whatever reason, Bret always looked at Vince as a fatherly figure. Terribly misguided decision making in hindsight, but that's how it was. His loyalty to this man rivals ANY wrestler to ANY promotion, ever.

Being screwed over by a person you gave everything to does something to you psychologically. Bret was never the same, nor was his life. Shawn to an extent felt the same wave. Hunter and Vince though........they're a different breed.

Vince either never realized or appreciated this and made a decision based on fear instead of trust. It was he who reneged on several promises concerning money and booking. It was also he who suggested, to Bret, that he go to WCW, even after Bret suggested he take a pay cut just to stay.

There could be more to this concerning Vince's adoration of Shawn and Shawn having his ear, but that's speculation.

 

[jadillac]

He left wwf because of MONEY
Bischoff wouldve offered him..MONEY to do it


Brets loyalty is to himself and canada...he gives a fukk about nothin else especially vince mcmahon

The idea that he would just hand the belt over on raw is proposterous

Vince actually helped Bret negotiate his WCW contract, if you remember from the documentary.

I dont think Bret would've done it, but I can see why Vince would've been paranoid about it since he basically did it to WCW himself.

 

[Popi]

There's no way it was a work.

- Too much detail in the book about ppl in Bret's family being mad at him for holding the bitterness towards Vince. I don't remember the exact scenario but I think it may have had to deal with Vince wanting to buy the Stampede library and Bret was being difficult with Vince about, where the family just saw $$$? Don't quote me on that.

If it was a work, one of those don't know when to stfu sisters would have spilled that out early. Diana has dropped BAGS and BAGS of change about her life, Bulldog and her family, It would have leaked.


- If Cokeboy had this genius idea to take advantage of the documentary, he surely took the opposite approach with Beyond The Mat, which he didn't approve at the end and as it was being released in theaters. If he used Beyond The Mat in a way to further a storyline, maybe you have something but Beyond The Mat didn't advance any storylines.

- I think if it was a work, Bret would have asked Vince to let Owen walk with him after it went down. That's his brother.

Owen wasn't allowed to leave with Bulldog and Anvil, Vince held him to that contract. Vince didn't give a shyt about Bulldog and Anvil but he knew Owen was still a valuable worker to have at his disposal.

If it was a work, why would Owen want to leave and why wouldn't Bret ask for Owen's release as part of the screwjob deal?

 

[Versa]

I have a question....if Bret was going to WCW, how could he bring the belt with him? Since he is no longer under contract with the WWE, wouldn't the belt stay behind? Can he even legally take the company's property(the belt) with him to another company without legal ramifications?

 

[Popi]

100% chance it would have happened...vince did it to wcw with flair in 92

I always wondered...

Why didn't Bischoff just have Bret come to the ring with one of the replica title belts he has?

You know Bret probably has a replica of every title he ever won in his office like a museum...why not just use that belt and say he never lost so he's still the champion?

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I always wondered...

Why didn't Bischoff just have Bret come to the ring with one of the replica title belts he has?

You know Bret probably has a replica of every title he ever won in his office like a museum...why not just use that belt and say he never lost so he's still the champion?

Because he lost the title at ss and it would have looked hollow...

 

[Popi]

Because he lost the title at ss and it would have looked hollow...

It's somethin though.

If you really drive that point home, fans would look at him as the 'real' champion and you make the current WWF champion look weak.

At the very least, better way to bring him in than what they actually did.

 

[concise]

AND THIS TYPE OF SHOOT FINISH HAPPENED ALL THE TIME IN OLD SCHOOL WRESTLING, BROTHER! THAT'S WHY WRESTLERS LIKE SAMMARTINO WERE LEGIT TOUGH GUYS, DUDE! IF THAT 90 POUND WEAKLING SHAWN dikkINBOTTOM TRIED TO SHOOT A PIN ON BRUNO, OR KILLER, OR A YOUNG TERRY BOLLEA, HIS KNEECAPS WOULD GO MISSING, CHAMP!

This. These guys were among the last raised and trained in the old school days when guys had to be ready for any kind of stunts. Bret knew going in to avoid any submission spots and let his guard down at the wrong time. No way was this a work.

Also, I think there have been little clues here and there that directly result from this like a chump like the Miz being champion to that time half the roster got stuck in Europe after WM26 and the guys who showed up on Raw in the States all had replica belts (showing that the belts had become highly guarded props that were in no uncertain terms being held only by the company).

 

[Dillah810]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a work, all of the elements were in place for it to be

For a secret that deep though you'd need all individuals involved to be 100% committed to the business and that's exactly what you had here. You couldn't run this with some guys who'd leave the biz and start telling everything years later. I think Shawn, Bret, and Triple H love the business as a whole enough to take a work to their graves. That's the only reason why I buy the idea of it.

Bret was going to get his money, why not set Vince up so he can make some too on the way out?

shyt Earl Hebner still thinks it was a work to this day.

 

[thaKEAF]

I have a question....if Bret was going to WCW, how could he bring the belt with him? Since he is no longer under contract with the WWE, wouldn't the belt stay behind? Can he even legally take the company's property(the belt) with him to another company without legal ramifications?

Legally the belt would've been WWE property and they could've fought for it in court but by then the damage was done. Just like Flair took the WCW title to WWF but eventually WCW won I'm court.

As for the topic I don't think it was a work. Bret has just seemed so miserable since it happened and so much shyt has been shoved his way. Even after deading the beef Vince and Shawn.


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[SuikodenII]

Legally the belt would've been WWE property and they could've fought for it in court but by then the damage was done. Just like Flair took the WCW title to WWF but eventually WCW won I'm court.

As for the topic I don't think it was a work. Bret has just seemed so miserable since it happened and so much shyt has been shoved his way. Even after deading the beef Vince and Shawn.


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Nah, they paid Flair his deposit back like they should have in the first place...

 

[Tommy Fits]

Don't think it was a work, haven't people around Bret said it basically destroyed his life in the years afterwards. I could have sworn his ex wife said it was one of the reasons the marriage finally ended. That after the MSJ, Bret became a miserable bitter b*stard.