Are Black Christians Grateful for Slavery/Colonization?

[DPresidential]

Let's be clear, I don't think that black Christians are oblivious to the negative effects of white supremacy or to white terrorism. But if you truly believe that this life is a short pit stop to eternity, that Christianity is the sole vehicle to enjoying that eternity, and that the odds are slim that you would have been a Christian without slavery/colonization, it would be logical to then conclude that slavery/colonization has saved many black souls would it not?

I frankly see no other way to reconcile the history of Africa and the belief that Christianity is the key to a positive eternity.

But I feel as if you're oversimplifying black christians as a monolith regarding their idealogy.

Not every christian sect believes the same process regarding this "eternity of happiness".

Also, yes, it's true that Christianity, when passed from it's oratory stage as a sect of judaism became a religion with written canon during Roman rule but saying there would be no way for christianity to have had influence on the descendant's of enslaved Africans if they had never been colonized and enslaved is a reach.

Christian idealogy began in the areas where Jesus - if he were real - began his teachings. I agree that the methodology and practice would definitely have been different but I respectfully disagree with your belief that there would have been no African Christians without colonization.

But to refocus on the original premise of the thread question - with the acknowledgment of the horrifying history of euro colonization of Africa does not mean that a person can't be a christian because among the world wide christian population, there were European Christians who, in the name of the religion, did some of the most heinous things in the name of that religion.

Being aware of the Spanish Inquisition and the wars that were fought between religious soldiers, it would be ridiculous to say a Spainard can't rectify being a christian because of what was condoned by certain sects of christian faith at the time.

 

[TRAP AMERICAN TV]

Respectfully, these two groups overlap many times.

I don't even understand how you can make this type of determination.

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Brehs are using statements from individual Christians without acknowledging that you can find crazies and uneducated people in any and every groups.

I say, look at the way the groups move together and Black Christians have always been at the frontlines fighting against oppression that harms black people.

Black Christian's put in more work

 

[It is a mystery]

Coli atheist introverts strike again

 

[ORDER_66]

I honestly don't know how to answer that expect the bible was weaponized and used as a tool for our indoctrination... But when you point that out black people get offended spiritually they've been conned and hoodwinked believing in this greater place after you die so your forced to be passive and "Good" to get there so they allow other's to do evil onto them... they make excuses for other's evil and praise the lord for forgiveness, yet their enemies pray to the same god and use the same bible to commit evil acts upon them and they are called fake christians...

Religious people are so fukking stupid and brains so malleable... they believe holy texts are their justification to do anything.... it happens in all religions where they do this...

 

[DPresidential]

Black Christian's put in more work

When you look at the sacrifice a person like Malcolm X and many of the brothers of Islam put in to abandon all of their former behaviors and principles to remain true to their ideology for the sake of black unity and power, you're statement is shaky, breh.

I'm clearly not shytting on Black Christians but the Lumumba's, Malcolm X's and the like have sacrificed LIFE and SOUL to ensure the survival and fair treatment of their Black brothers and it if you're really trying to be objective, not every Black Christian did work for the cause because of their Christianity, so technically, you can't associate their contributions to "Black Christianity" it's more because of their pro-blackness.

Huey P Newton's father? A preacher. It's likely that he had a christian upbringing but we can agree that you can't say "he's a black christian that put in work". No, he put in work because he was pro-black.

 

[DPresidential]

I honestly don't know how to answer that expect the bible was weaponized and used as a tool for our indoctrination... But when you point that out black people get offended spiritually they've been conned and hoodwinked believing in this greater place after you die so your forced to be passive and "Good" to get there so they allow other's to do evil onto them... they make excuses for other's evil and praise the lord for forgiveness, yet their enemies pray to the same god and use the same bible to commit evil acts upon them and they are called fake christians...

Religious people are so fukking stupid and brains so malleable... they believe holy texts are their justification to do anything.... it happens in all religions where they do this...

It's funny that you seem to be enlightened enough to not be indoctrinated by the ills and social cancers that religious people are affected by yet you could be just as condescending as a typical indoctrinated individual.

You know good and well that there are religious people who are good, kind and intelligent people. But, you clearly are on some personal attack shyt, so you could make a statement like they are all fukking stupid.

Unless you're as personally invested in being nothing but an a$$hole in this planet we live as the type of religious close minded nuts that you're speaking about... why even express such vitriolic feelings, breh?

What's funny is, you seem to ignore the fact that those same people who were malleable enough to be indoctrinated and compelled to do heinous shyt in the name of religion would be the same people malleable enough to be indoctrinated by other methods of division and conflict even if there was never such a concept as religion or god(s).

People with greed, power and harmful intent will use - religion, territorial differences, race, gender, age, class, etc - to bamboozle people to act on their behalf and getting them to do fukked up shyt.

The malleable ones will be bamboozled by - those above mentioned people with any of the tools mentioned.

fukked up people use naive people. Religion or the absence of would not have stopped that from happening.

 

[ORDER_66]

It's funny that you seem to be enlightened enough to not be indoctrinated by the ills and social cancers that religious people are affected by yet you could be just as condescending as a typical indoctrinated individual.

You know good and well that there are religious people who are good, kind and intelligent people. But, you clearly are on some personal attack shyt, so you could make a statement like they are all fukking stupid.

Unless you're as personally invested in being nothing but an a$$hole in this planet we live as the type of religious close minded nuts that you're speaking about... why even express such vitriolic feelings, breh?

What's funny is, you seem to ignore the fact that those same people who were malleable enough to be indoctrinated and compelled to do heinous shyt in the name of religion would be the same people malleable enough to be indoctrinated by other methods of division and conflict even if there was never such a concept as religion or god(s).

People with greed, power and harmful intent will use - religion, territorial differences, race, gender, age, class, etc - to bamboozle people to act on their behalf and getting them to do fukked up shyt.

The malleable ones will be bamboozled by - those above mentioned people with any of the tools mentioned.

fukked up people use naive people. Religion or the absence of would not have stopped that from happening.

because at the end of the day religion has done more harm than good on our planet no matter how well intentioned and good the people might be...
If I'm an a$$hole for being so blunt about people's stupidity then I be that...

It isn't vitriolic or hateful it's just fact. we would accomplish more if humanity focused on science and bettering and helping other people but religion and the people behind it wield power based on a lie. a lie to confuse and control the masses and you expect me to be nice about it???

Our people have been abused, tortured and kidnapped and was made to live on the bottom rung of the social strata in this country for years and you expect me to be happy that our enslavers turn around and preach from the same bible when worldwide I see idiots being led to slaughter over religion, being forced to fight in wars over this religion shyt, and you expect me to be nice about it??? Never... I will never be nice about my idea on religion for as long as I live...

Religion can burn in hell for all I care...

 

[DPresidential]

@ORDER_66

Show your maturity. Who said anything about being nice?

Show your intelligence and acknowledge that there is a wide spectrum between being obnoxious about this topic and being nice.

Nobody here knows you or me or those religious masses personally in the context of this convo, I could give a fukk about niceness.

You said "our people". Don't back down from that. To say our people indicates you have an empathy and understanding about our people and a sadness about how religious hustlers indoctrinated our ancestors and our current family, right?

If you are really that invested in trying to divest our people from religious oppression, why would you think calling the current fellow black people who are lost by Religion "fukking stupid"?

If you were trying to troll, my bad for the misunderstanding.
But if you were attempting to actually have dialogue about this issue you're passionate about then what's acceptable about your statement?

You may think religion causes the fukkery... Is argue close minded and condescending attitudes about other opinions and beliefs are the yin to violent religions yang.

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Just imagine any true believer of any philosophy trying to help people come to the understanding that they should abandon something that's harmful to them and saying,

"Hey, thank y'all for coming. Y'all all have been fukking stupid to have been following blah, blah, blah... Now, be enlightened by an understanding philosophy."

nikkas will be like fukk you and walk out with the free coffee.

 

[ORDER_66]

@ORDER_66

Show your maturity. Who said anything about being nice?

Show your intelligence and acknowledge that there is a wide spectrum between being obnoxious about this topic and being nice.

Nobody here knows you or me or those religious masses personally in the context of this convo, I could give a fukk about niceness.

You said "our people". Don't back down from that. To say our people indicates you have an empathy and understanding about our people and a sadness about how religious hustlers indoctrinated our ancestors and our current family, right?

If you are really that invested in trying to divest our people from religious oppression, why would you think calling the current fellow black people who are lost by Religion "fukking stupid"?

If you were trying to troll, my bad for the misunderstanding.
But if you were attempting to actually have dialogue about this issue you're passionate about then what's acceptable about your statement?

You may think religion causes the fukkery... Is argue close minded and condescending attitudes about other opinions and beliefs are the yin to violent religions yang.

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Just imagine any true believer of any philosophy trying to help people come to the understanding that they should abandon something that's harmful to them and saying,

"Hey, thank y'all for coming. Y'all all have been fukking stupid to have been following blah, blah, blah... Now, be enlightened by an understanding philosophy."

nikkas will be like fukk you and walk out with the free coffee.

Your the only one in the entire thread up in arms about what I said... and what I said doesn't change the fact that I am right and I'm not the only one believing in what I stated... but go ahead..

 

[DPresidential]

Your the only one in the entire thread up in arms about what I said... and what I said doesn't change the fact that I am right and I'm not the only one believing in what I stated... but go ahead..

I'm the only one?

Breh, this is discussion. You made a statement and I'm pressing you on it a bit.

I'm not calling you a fukking idiot or anything ad hominem. I'm talking.

I'm not looking for allies here. It's cool that I'm the only one talking about it. The vitriol and condescension towards religious people is just a bit ironic and counter productive.

If you've exhausted you interest in talking about it with me... That's cool too.

We done?

 

[get these nets]

First rule of Debate Club, respect your opponent's views. Not agree, but respect . Otherwise the debate unravels quickly.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

The bolded part is true for majority of the Christian world.
If you read a book or article about the spread of Christianity across Europe, you'd know this to be true.

True based on what exactly? If you know this.. then you must know what tribe you descend from.. and if you know that, you know your mother tongue, original concept of spirituality, rites of passage.. etc

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I've met 2 highly religious black people in my life who both have said that slavery was basicly needed and a "gift" from GOD in order to get us on the right path.

There are black people out there with this mindset

Yes... because 2 is indicative of the the thought process of 50 million

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

That is why this is a legitimate thread. We have to talk about this.

 

[ORDER_66]

I'm the only one?

Breh, this is discussion. You made a statement and I'm pressing you on it a bit.

I'm not calling you a fukking idiot or anything ad hominem. I'm talking.

I'm not looking for allies here. It's cool that I'm the only one talking about it. The vitriol and condescension towards religious people is just a bit ironic and counter productive.

If you've exhausted you interest in talking about it with me... That's cool too.

We done?

I don't understand what you attempt to gain by antagonizing me when I have a legitimate beef with religion and people who blindly follow those doctrines...

I don't get what you want from me... What do you want???