Are Black Christians Grateful for Slavery/Colonization?

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I don't understand what you attempt to gain by antagonizing me when I have a legitimate beef with religion and people who blindly follow those doctrines...

I don't get what you want from me... What do you want???

And what is your beef exactly?

 

[DPresidential]

First rule of Debate Club, respect your opponent's views. Not agree, but respect . Otherwise the debate unravels quickly.

This.
This. This.

fukking this.

I don't understand what you attempt to gain by antagonizing me when I have a legitimate beef with religion and people who blindly follow those doctrines...

I don't get what you want from me... What do you want???

I really didn't mean to antagonize you. My bad.

But, me issue is, you seem to care about black people... And you seem to have serious hostile feelings about religion.

If your hatred towards religion is a greater force than your love and empathy for your people... Well, that's a serious issue but now if understand why you can't seem to realize your comment was completely unproductive.

However, if you have a hatred towards religion but your love and empathy towards black people is stronger... You should be able to understand that that type of close minded and hostile rhetoric is leading to the biggest obstacle to getting anything that you feel should be accepted thought into the market place of ideas...

You are feeding into entrenchment.

Imagine you care about the environment and believe in not littering. Say, you consider yourself smarter and better than those who just through shyt onto YOUR street.

One day, a malleable but ignorant human being walks past your crib and throws a plastic soda bottle and McDonald bag onto your street.

Say you pick it up in front of them and passive aggressively sneer at them and show a look of disgust and when they show a little embarrassment and reach to take it from you to put it in garbage themselves... You say "no, it's okay, you can go on!" Like a real fukking snob.

Would you say your action helped this person not make that mistake again or do you think that passive aggressive holier than thou shyt is going to just enflame them and entrench them more?

Take it further, imagine you actually called them a "fukking idiot!" While you aggressively grabbed their litter and threw it out yourself.

Human beings are some emotional creatures. That embarrassment, shame and anger will entrench them further and that's not helpful either.

So if you're so anti-religion, I'd imagine you'd want a world without religion but, with all due respect, of that world is made up of nikkas like you who would not understand how disrespectful you're being with respect to other views... Honestly, the wars and other shyt would be going on in that Order 66 philosophy world, so they'll think, if he's saying fukk me and my thoughts, then it's fukk him and his.

shyt is so backwards.

And I'm a nikka that has probably just as many issues with organized religion as you! I'm just caping for objectivity... That's my religion.

 

[ORDER_66]

And what is your beef exactly?

I've stated my case like a page back...

 

[get these nets]

True based on what exactly? If you know this.. then you must know what tribe you descend from.. and if you know that, you know your mother tongue, original concept of spirituality, rites of passage.. etc

???? How do I know that the Roman conquests are what led to Christianity spreading to Europe. And that these same Europeans later colonized the world using the 1-2 punch of missionaries and then soldiers?

Historians are how I know.

Not sure you were serious about the second part but Haitians don't quite know the exact place where our ancestors are from, BUT there are language markers in Kreyol, and culture markers in Voudou that detail what the dominant ethnic groups were during the time that it was a slave colony. Voudou as practiced in Haiti is a composite of "African based spiritual systems" but it most closely resembles systems in modern day Togo and Benin .

Again, from historians.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

???? How do I know that the Roman conquests are what led to Christianity spreading to Europe. And that these same Europeans later colonized the world using the 1-2 punch of missionaries and then soldiers?

Historians are how I know.

Not sure you were serious about the second part but Haitians don't quite know the exact place where our ancestors are from, BUT there are language markers in Kreyol, and culture markers in Voudou that detail what the dominant ethnic groups were during the time that it was a slave colony. Voudou as practiced in Haiti is a composite of "African based spiritual systems" but it most closely resembles systems in modern day Togo and Benin .

Again, from historians.

So you can name the historians right? If you know that pre slave trade your tribe weren’t Christian... you should be able to name your tribe and ATR..

Can you cite the historians you’re referring too, and indentify the Africa tribe you descended from, and also describe the the tenets of the religion of your tribe?

 

[Lamar Givens]

Just what it says on the box.

Our people weren't Christians before being physically and psychologically invaded by Europeans. Given that people don't willingly just convert to different religions en masse, it's a safe bet that we wouldn't be Christian today.

Given that a core Christian tenet is that believers go to heaven and non-believers to hell, would it not rationally follow that they would prefer slavery->heaven over freedom->hell? Would they view it akin to a surgical procedure, a painful but necessary process?

Educate me my pious brehs and brehettes.

It seems as if every other week I have to point out ignorance on this topic when it comes to Christianity and the same false narrative concerning the slave trade.

1. Christianity came to Africa in the 1st Century. This information is well known and readily accessible.
2. The Transatlantic Slave Trade began in the middle of the 15th Century. That is a 1400 year time span.

The first and oldest church in Africa built in the 4th century.

Church of our Lady Mary of Zion.

Spoiler

The Transatlantic Slave Trade

Spoiler

How can this be a black site that promotes black excellence and we have black people ignorant of African history

 

[Lamar Givens]

Some of the earliest African Church Fathers from the 1st - 5th Century before slavery

The Faith of Our Fathers: Reclaiming the North African Church Fathers

There is one thing that I cannot stand and that is WILLFUL black ignorance.

 

[feast__5]

Some of the earliest African Church Fathers from the 1st - 5th Century before slavery

The Faith of Our Fathers: Reclaiming the North African Church Fathers

All facts... One of the greatest Christian fathers, ST Augustine was from North Africa

 

[DPresidential]

It seems as if every other week I have to point out ignorance on this topic when it comes to Christianity and the same false narrative concerning the slave trade.

1. Christianity came to Africa in the 1st Century. This information is well known and readily accessible.
2. The Transatlantic Slave Trade began in the middle of the 15th Century. That is a 1400 year time span.

The first and oldest church in Africa built in the 4th century.

Church of our Lady Mary of Zion.

Spoiler

The Transatlantic Slave Trade

Spoiler

How can this be a black site that promotes black excellence and we have black people ignorant of African history

Great fukking post.

I feel embarrassed that I wasn't aware of this very obvious point!

Rep

 

[Van Cleef]

And what is your beef exactly?

In America, religion has always been the root of racist injustice.

 

[ORDER_66]

This.
This. This.

fukking this.


I really didn't mean to antagonize you. My bad.

But, me issue is, you seem to care about black people... And you seem to have serious hostile feelings about religion.

If your hatred towards religion is a greater force than your love and empathy for your people... Well, that's a serious issue but now if understand why you can't seem to realize your comment was completely unproductive.

However, if you have a hatred towards religion but your love and empathy towards black people is stronger... You should be able to understand that that type of close minded and hostile rhetoric is leading to the biggest obstacle to getting anything that you feel should be accepted thought into the market place of ideas...

You are feeding into entrenchment.

Imagine you care about the environment and believe in not littering. Say, you consider yourself smarter and better than those who just through shyt onto YOUR street.

One day, a malleable but ignorant human being walks past your crib and throws a plastic soda bottle and McDonald bag onto your street.

Say you pick it up in front of them and passive aggressively sneer at them and show a look of disgust and when they show a little embarrassment and reach to take it from you to put it in garbage themselves... You say "no, it's okay, you can go on!" Like a real fukking snob.

Would you say your action helped this person not make that mistake again or do you think that passive aggressive holier than thou shyt is going to just enflame them and entrench them more?

Take it further, imagine you actually called them a "fukking idiot!" While you aggressively grabbed their litter and threw it out yourself.

Human beings are some emotional creatures. That embarrassment, shame and anger will entrench them further and that's not helpful either.

So if you're so anti-religion, I'd imagine you'd want a world without religion but, with all due respect, of that world is made up of nikkas like you who would not understand how disrespectful you're being with respect to other views... Honestly, the wars and other shyt would be going on in that Order 66 philosophy world, so they'll think, if he's saying fukk me and my thoughts, then it's fukk him and his.

shyt is so backwards.

And I'm a nikka that has probably just as many issues with organized religion as you! I'm just caping for objectivity... That's my religion.

It is what it is...

I'm not here to debate you on the idea of religion vs anti-religion I just stated what I believe, take it how you want...

 

[DPresidential]

It is what it is...

I'm not here to debate you on the idea of religion vs anti-religion I just stated what I believe, take it how you want...

Respect.

Good discussion.

 

[Shadi Shanda]

Ask Charleston

 

[Poitier]

Not all West/Central Africans were forced to convert to Christianity i.e. Kongolese Christians.

Nat Turner
Denmark Vesey
Samuel Sharpe
Jack Gladstone

Lets not paint with broad strokes.

 

[Lamar Givens]

I don't understand what you attempt to gain by antagonizing me when I have a legitimate beef with religion and people who blindly follow those doctrines...

I don't get what you want from me... What do you want???

You claim to have an issue with religion, but as the saying goes, your hypocrisy is so blinding that you hold ignorance as bliss because atheism has killed more in the name of intellectual progress, nationalism, and science than religion ever has.

But because you're a dumb/smart person you failed to understand that one of the bloodiest wars in history (WW2) was because of atheism and nationalism, not religion.

You're a hypocrite.