Are Black Christians Grateful for Slavery/Colonization?

[Samori Toure]

My understanding is that they merged Christian concepts with their then current religious beliefs. In other words they worshiped many gods. As I understand it, and correct me if I'm mistaken, Christianity requires an exclusive belief in Jesus. Or in his own words, "“I am the living God, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.”

That we would be practicing Christianity as we are today without slavery/colonization is extremely unlikely.

Also, the reason that the majority of Southern Africa is Christian today is not due to a (debated) link between the Kingdom of Kongo and Christianity.

You are conflating so many things right now that it is not even funny. Why people became Christian during slavery in the USA is completely different as to why the people of Kongo and Angola became Christian.

Some of the slaves in the USA were already Christian when they got to the USA. If you look at many of the slaves in South America many of them were Catholic when they got there, because they were Catholic in their homelands. So the issue were the animist people and the Muslims. There were undoubtedly forced conversion of many people to Christianity in Central and South America, because Spain had just come off of the inquisitions in Spain and were certainly cleansing their colonies of those cursed followers of Mohammad and the Jews. Don't forget that some of the slaves taken the Americas were also Jews, because the Lemba people of Southern Africa were also enslaved.

The slaves in the USA reasons for converting to Christianity were totally different. It for the most part happened as a run up to the Civil War when the "Second Great Awakening" was occurring. So African Americans had legitimate reasons for converting to Christianity at that time, because many Northern abolitionist were opposed to slavery were strongly Christian and were pushing for the conversion of the slaves.

Christianity in Africa was different depending upon what region that people were in. Modern day Ethiopia had it first in the entire World. Bible Gateway passage: Acts 8:26-40 - English Standard Version

The next group of Africans to be converted were in Kongo and Angola. Then from what I remember some North Africans were converted as part of the Spanish Inquisitions. The rest of the Africans received it at varying times from the Portuguese and later on the English.

 

[Benefited]

WHAT???? what do you think the slave masters used to indoctrinate our forefathers so willingly to STAY ENSLAVED....First they broke their spirits then their minds... What part of indoctrination do YOU not understand???

Who do you think forced religion on our people you fukking dumbass... Every fukking time it's some religious fukking nutjob trying to lecture me on how I feel... fukk you fam...

How do you know what they broke first? Its called the fear of death and the unknown,basic human survival instinct. You would rather assume they captured the slaves,beat them a little,and immediately taught them the bible and thats what made them not fight back.Couldn't have been the cannons and the muskets etc.

Religion wasn't forced on us,it just found its way back to us. Whites aren't properly equipped to understand and decode the bible anyway. Through lack of knowledge of self slaves lost the ability as well. If they hadn't they would have realized the bible was about them,it would be an empowering book for the slaves. You can't even see somebody like Nat Turner,MLK as modern day prophets,thats too deep for you

 

[ORDER_66]

How do you know what they broke first? Its called the fear of death and the unknown,basic human survival instinct. You would rather assume they captured the slaves,beat them a little,and immediately taught them the bible and thats what made them not fight back.Couldn't have been the cannons and the muskets etc.

Religion wasn't forced on us,it just found its way back to us. Whites aren't properly equipped to understand and decode the bible anyway. Through lack of knowledge of self slaves lost the ability as well. If they hadn't they would have realized the bible was about them,it would be an empowering book for the slaves. You can't even see somebody like Nat Turner,MLK as modern day prophets,thats too deep for you

and you like a fukking idiot don't realize how nat turner and MLK both began to wake up from that religious bullshyt towards the end... Nate saw first hand what they used religion for, and MLK realized that he needed to fight back because using religious beliefs did NOTHING to sway his oppressors...

If religion is not forced on us why is there a strong onus to shove the damn bible & all its beliefs down our throat??? the only way this world will be free is without all religion...

fukk outta here...

 

[Samori Toure]

It's funny how OP and others want to shyt on Christianity, but I always wonder why is it no one mentions how the pagan deities Africans faithfully worshipped just allowed them to go into captivity without lifting a fing...oh, oh shyt cognitive dissonance...

It wasn't the pagan deities that threw Africans into captivity. It wasn't following Mohammad that threw Africans into captivity. Being a Jew didn't throw Africans into captivity (people seem to sleep on the fact that Jews were also enslaved (Lemba people and some North Africans)).

It was Africans that threw other Africans into captivity. Being prisoners of war is how our ancestors got here.

 

[Benefited]

What people who become atheist because of white society? I don't see how not believing in god means you will assimilate into white society.

The arrogance and rejection of spirituality is all very european.

the hatred of religion could only come from europeans,because blacks in america who know our history would have to know the impact religion has played in where we are today. Now if you naively believe we would be in better position if not for religion I ask for you to prove it. And please no fantasies of blacks starting an uprising and killing off all the white people,unless you have evidence this was ever in the cards and religion was the only thing holding us back.

 

[DPresidential]

This turned out to be a great fukking thread.

 

[Lamar Givens]

It wasn't the pagan deities that threw Africans into captivity. It wasn't following Mohammad that threw Africans into captivity. Being a Jew didn't throw Africans into captivity (people seem to sleep on the fact that Jews were also enslaved (Lemba people and some North Africans).

It was Africans that threw other Africans into captivity. Being prisoners of war is how our ancestors got here.

I'm not saying that. My rebuttal was merely pointing out how some people use the narrative that the Christian God just sat back and didn't help blacks during slavery.

So I pointed out that the pagan deities Africans worshipped also did not lift a finger to help those who were shackled in chains by other Africans and slave traders.

That's where the cognitive dissonance comes in.

 

[Lamar Givens]

How do you know what they broke first? Its called the fear of death and the unknown,basic human survival instinct. You would rather assume they captured the slaves,beat them a little,and immediately taught them the bible and thats what made them not fight back.Couldn't have been the cannons and the muskets etc.

Religion wasn't forced on us,it just found its way back to us. Whites aren't properly equipped to understand and decode the bible anyway. Through lack of knowledge of self slaves lost the ability as well. If they hadn't they would have realized the bible was about them,it would be an empowering book for the slaves. You can't even see somebody like Nat Turner,MLK as modern day prophets,thats too deep for you

Don't waste your time with him @ORDER_66; the guy is an obvious troll. He can't even legitimately rebuttal a logical statement asserted against his many fallacies and contradictions.

 

[Samori Toure]

I'm not saying that. My rebuttal was merely pointing out how some people use the narrative that the Christian God just sat back and didn't help blacks during slavery.

So I pointed out that the pagan deities Africans worshipped also did not lift a finger to help those who were shackled in chains by other Africans and slave traders.

That's where the cognitive dissonance comes in.

Got it.

 

[ORDER_66]

Don't waste your time with him; the guy is an obvious troll. He can't even legitimately rebuttal a logical statement asserted against his many fallacies and contradictions.

I'm not the one in their feelings by only saying how I felt and yet i'm the troll...

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

and you like a fukking idiot don't realize how nat turner and MLK both began to wake up from that religious bullshyt towards the end... Nate saw first hand what they used religion for, and MLK realized that he needed to fight back because using religious beliefs did NOTHING to sway his oppressors

So we just gon make up shyt now

 

[Hoodoo Child]

Let's not act like American slave rebellions weren't influenced by Christian passages & scriptures. The problem isn't Black Christians. They're just practicing the wrong version of Christianity (Eurocentric version).

 

[Larry Lambo]

I think most black Christians view it as this.

Spreading the word and being missionaries was God's will. Slavery and oppression was man's will. Good deeds can come from an evil person.

A man can save your daughter's life, just to rape her later. Are you happy that the only reason she is living is because he choose to rape her? Nope. You can appreciate one act a person did and still admonish them for another. You attribute the saving of her life to God's grace, and you attribute her rape to man's evil.

Not really a Christian but of my family members are, and they hate crakkas. Ain't none of them thinking like "Thank God for slavery, for we would have gone to hell without it"

 

[Benefited]

and you like a fukking idiot don't realize how nat turner and MLK both began to wake up from that religious bullshyt towards the end... Nate saw first hand what they used religion for, and MLK realized that he needed to fight back because using religious beliefs did NOTHING to sway his oppressors...

If religion is not forced on us why is there a strong onus to shove the damn bible & all its beliefs down our throat??? the only way this world will be free is without all religion...

fukk outta here...

How so

"In early 1828, Turner was convinced that he "was ordained for some great purpose in the hands of the Almighty."[12] While working in his owner's fields on May 12, Turner

heard a loud noise in the heavens, and the Spirit instantly appeared to me and said the Serpent was loosened, and Christ had laid down the yoke he had borne for the sins of men, and that I should take it on and fight against the Serpent, for the time was fast approaching when the first should be last and the last should be first.[13]

Joseph Dreis wrote "In connecting this vision to the motivation for his rebellion, Turner makes it clear that he sees himself as participating in the confrontation between God's Kingdom and the anti-Kingdom that characterized his social-historical context."[14] He was convinced that God had given him the task of "slay[ing] my enemies with their own weapons."[13] Turner said, "I communicated the great work laid out for me to do, to four in whom I had the greatest confidence" – his fellow slaves Henry, Hark, Nelson, and Sam.[13]

Beginning in February 1831, Turner claimed certain atmospheric conditions as a sign to begin preparations for a rebellion against slaveowners. On February 11, 1831, an annular solar eclipse was visible in Virginia. Turner envisioned this as a black man's hand reaching over the sun.[15] He initially planned the rebellion to begin on July 4, Independence Day. Turner postponed it because of illness and to use the delay for additional planning with his co-conspirators. On August 7 there was another solar eclipse in which the sun appeared bluish-green, possibly the result of lingering atmospheric debris from an eruption of Mount St. Helens in present-day Washington state. Turner interpreted this as the final signal, and about a week later, on August 21, he began the uprising.[16]"

Nat believed he was sent a sign by god through the bible you are claiming enslaved him. Nat was awaken spiritually and was finally able to decipher the bible properly, and convinced the other slaves to join him in the rebellion.And if you think religion did nothing to sway people who stood with MLK than you are just clueless. It certainly offered him a platform to have a large group of black people follow him,and stood with him. If you think the sheer numbers of black christians working in unison didn't help the cause,your hate is blinding you and theres nothing else to talk about here you ungrateful b*stard.

The problem isn't the bible or religion,the problem is black folks inability to decipher it, or letting the wrong people decipher it for them. People who are not spiritually equipped to interprate it correctly.

 

[Lamar Givens]

I'm not the one in their feelings by only saying how I felt and yet i'm the troll...

You're trolling because your side stepping legit rebuttals and only interjecting your false assertions as fact.

For example, I exposed your false narrative about religion being the only result of wars when history proves that atheism has caused the biggest wars and greatest atrocities known to man.

Furthermore wars are not started over religion. Since time memorial wars have ALWAYS been about LAND and RESOURCES.

You're not bringing any facts. You're bringing HEmotions.