Are Black Christians Grateful for Slavery/Colonization?

[Mythical Truth]

Jesus is black.

 

[ThatTruth777]

yall think he trolling but you got some black people so far gone out there that actually believe that shyt and that's just the ones that are honest about it

 

[DPresidential]

Of course most of western society's mainstream christian sects wouldn't have been adopted by most black people in the Americas but breh...

It's absurd to equate the religious practices of today's descendants of slaves and colonized African territories w/ being grateful for slavery/colonization.

I was actually skimming through the last manuscript written by Martin Luther King's before his assassination.

Now, we all are aware that there is no name more synonymous with the Black christian movement than MLK Jr. and in his book, Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community, the views of this very Christian leader puts to bed any absurd belief that there was any type of gratitude for the oppression at the hands of colonizers or their descendants who enslaved african people.

TL:DR version - In a simple study of the most prominent Black christian leader, MLK, it is clear to see a resentment and scorn towards colonization and the effects of slavery and "stay in your place" policy of American Society. Further, MLK was unapologetic in his opinion on the ignorance, cowardice and ultimate comfortability in their place and privilege gifted by white supremacy and oppression.

If anyone is interested in actual writings and opinions of Black christian stance on race, society and the history of American slavery, continue below where I point out a few clear excerpts that respectfully ends this debate about black christian's comfort in white America.

Everything in quotes below are the actual writings of MLK in his book Where Do We Go From Here.


Read below:

In the first chapter alone, these below mentioned excerpts are unapologetically expressed by MLK:

For the vast majority of white Americans, the past decade_the first phase- had been a struggle to treat the Negro with a degree of decency, no of equality. White America was ready to demand that the Negro should be spared the lash of brutality and coarse degradation, but it had never been truly committed to helping him out of poverty, exploitation or all forms of discrimination. The outraged white citizen had been sincere when he snatched the whips from the Southern sheriffs and forbade them more cruelties. But when this was to a degree accomplished, the emotions that had momentarily inflamed him melted away. White Americans left the Negro on the ground an in devastating numbers walked off with the aggressor. It appeared that the white segregationist and the ordinary white citizen had more in common with one another than either had with the Negro.

Here, especially in the bolded, there is a clear indication that MLK believed that even in the most sincere moments of empathy that the average white citizen had for blacks, at the end of the day, their inability to actually do more than just stop the violent forms of racism, they cowardly or ignorantly stayed out of sight and out of mind when it came to treating black people with dignity.

This shows from MLK's own writings, although he believed in integration as a natural step for the better treatment of black people... white people were the ones who lacked maturity, tact, and responsibility as a result of their comfortable ignorance.

The majority of white Americans consider themselves sincerely committed to justice for the Negro. They believe that American society is essentially hospitable to fair play and to steady growth toward a middle-class Utopia embodying racial harmony. But unfortunately this is a fantasy of self deception and comfortable vanity. Overwhelmingly America is still struggling with irresolution and contradictions. ...This limited degree of concern is a reflection of an inner conflict which measures cautiously the impact of any change on the status quo. As the nation passes from opposing extremist behavior to the deeper and more pervasive elements of equality, white American reaffirms its bonds to the status quo.

In this excerpt, it is as etherous of a statement as the most militant perspective without the hostile terminology. MLK clearly acknowledges that the cancer that eats away at any attempt for a goal of American equality for black people is the American Status Quo. If American status quo is the cancer, the problem, and essentially the devil, than there is no way one can argue that MLK or a majority of Black christians who are absolutely appalled by how white America treated us - past, present and/or future - are or were somehow grateful for colonization and slavery nor the oppressive roots that grew out of it.

And the coup de grâce excerpt that should respectfully put this question to bed is in this excerpt:

For more than a century of slavery and another century of segregation Negroes did not find mass unity nor could they mount mass actions. The American brand of servitude tore them apart and held them in paralyzed solitude. But in the last decade Negroes united and marched. And out of the new unity and action vast monuments of dignity were shaped, courage was forged and hope took concrete form.

For hundreds of years Negroes had fought to stay alive by developing an endurance to hardship and heartbreak. In this decade the the Negro stepped into a new role. He no longer would endure and want, but now he banished these as his lifelong companions. He could tolerate humiliation and scorn, but now he armed himself with dignity and resistance and his adversary tasted the gall of defeat.

For the the first time in his history the negro did not have to use subterfuge as a defense, or solicit pity. His endurance was not employed for compromise with evil but to supply the strength to crush it.

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

I've met 2 highly religious black people in my life who both have said that slavery was basicly needed and a "gift" from GOD in order to get us on the right path.

There are black people out there with this mindset

yall think he trolling but you got some black people so far gone out there that actually believe that shyt and that's just the ones that are honest about it

That is why this is a legitimate thread. We have to talk about this.

 

[SirReginald]

Just what it says on the box.

Our people weren't Christians before being physically and psychologically invaded by Europeans. Given that people don't willingly just convert to different religions en masse, it's a safe bet that we wouldn't be Christian today.

Given that a core Christian tenet is that believers go to heaven and non-believers to hell, would it not rationally follow that they would prefer slavery->heaven over freedom->hell? Would they view it akin to a surgical procedure, a painful but necessary process?

Educate me my pious brehs and brehettes.

West African/Ethiopian Christianity (totally different from the CAC one didn't exist) I have my issues with Christianity, but this one here is not the reason. Also, in Eastern Orthodox there's been different views that non believers, Jews, Muslims, and Pagans can get in if the keep certain laws.


From a non Christian

 

[Wildhundreds]

Are you implying that because something happened to whites, we should be ok with it happening to us?

Not saying that at all.

Im saying this religion thing is bigger than what you're touching on right now..

You're minimizing the topic.

 

[TRAP AMERICAN TV]

Black Christians >>>>>>>>>>>> Pro blacks

 

[get these nets]

I'm not trolling. Nor do I care to challenge people's religious beliefs. I understand such beliefs are deeply held and personal and as I mentioned I'm agnostic and I won't pretend to know the unknowable. I just think it's a healthy exercise to reflect on why we do the things that we do. Believers tell non-believers all the time not to conflate being religious with being ignorant and I completely agree. If you are Christian just because Mom and/or Dad went to X church over Y church, I can understand how thinking about these things may cause discomfort. But if you are a thinking Christian (and I know many that are) you likely have already chewed over questions such as these. I'm just curious as to what people came up with.

The avatar of the Ethiopian Orthodox Christian says that you are trolling.(or comically unaware).

What you're talking about in this thread has been discussed for years, and reached public discussion around the same time The Isis Papers came out and Assante was promoting Afrocentricity. Black students and college age people had these forums,books, etc about Christianity and the African diaspora. Rejecting or challenging some of the things their parents taught them. You can look up those public discussions.

For all the youthful huffing and puffing though..about 9 out of ten of the people having those discussions back then, NOW follow the same faith their parents followed. Probably not as strongly, but got married there..and baptized their children there.

I'm going to assume that you are of a certain age and going through the same chapter that we went through then .
Fast forward a decade or two, remember what I wrote.

 

[SirReginald]

I've met 2 highly religious black people in my life who both have said that slavery was basicly needed and a "gift" from GOD in order to get us on the right path.

There are black people out there with this mindset

They have self-hate and I hope you told them that.

 

[MarcMan]

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Let's be clear, I don't think that black Christians are oblivious to the negative effects of white supremacy or to white terrorism. But if you truly believe that this life is a short pit stop to eternity, that Christianity is the sole vehicle to enjoying that eternity, and that the odds are slim that you would have been a Christian without slavery/colonization, it would be logical to then conclude that slavery/colonization has saved many black souls would it not?

I frankly see no other way to reconcile the history of Africa and the belief that Christianity is the key to a positive eternity.

 

[Wildhundreds]

The black Hebrews teach that God is punishing us for our disobedience to his commandments. Thus why we were put in slavery and such.

Then they said God gave the white man dominion over the earth for a time appointed.

It sounds believable if you really look into it, but at the same time it seems like a ploy that could've been placed there, during the creation of the book.

A lot of things are believable and can be proven in the book, but some things just seems

 

[DPresidential]

Black Christians >>>>>>>>>>>> Pro blacks

Respectfully, these two groups overlap many times.

I don't even understand how you can make this type of determination.

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Brehs are using statements from individual Christians without acknowledging that you can find crazies and uneducated people in any and every groups.

I say, look at the way the groups move together and Black Christians have always been at the frontlines fighting against oppression that harms black people.

 

[IVS]

Im waiting on all the but Christianity started in Ethiopia shyt like that matters any. Bbbut black people were Christians first...as if that shyt matters

 

[IVS]

yall think he trolling but you got some black people so far gone out there that actually believe that shyt and that's just the ones that are honest about it

Shieiitt! Bof Knees Ray is one of those people. Slavery was about togetherness. LMAO

 

[Black Steph Curry]

Im waiting on all the but Christianity started in Ethiopia shyt like that matters any. Bbbut black people were Christians first...as if that shyt matters

I know... as if Christian nikkas have are walking around with ancient Ethiopian texts and teachings and not b*stardized corrupted king james bibles. Hell most nikkas on this site don't even have Ethiopian ancestry, but let them tell it, Christianity is tha true religion for black ppl 2 follow