Are Black Christians Grateful for Slavery/Colonization?

[3rdWorld]

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[kevm3]

Are black christians grateful for slavery? No. Are you grateful for the black Christians that put their lives on the line so you could have the freedom to make these kind of threads?

Have most of the people that scream about America all day and how much it sucks moved back to Africa? I thought this was the forum of the 6 figure super baller, and yet all these people talking about America sucks have moved back to Africa if they've even visited.

 

[kevm3]

U tried it dawg ion even know what Egyptology is. so your response is irrelevant

So come, tell us what we all should be worshipping, and you better not be talking about you're atheist/agnostic

 

[3rdWorld]

I've met 2 highly religious black people in my life who both have said that slavery was basicly needed and a "gift" from GOD in order to get us on the right path.

There are black people out there with this mindset

Do you have any idea how far we could be if we could identify all the mindless thugs and c00ns and set them to one side in their own domain..they holding us back.

 

[Lamar Givens]

Newsflash: American Blacks dont descend from Ethiopia or North Africa.

Yea, because 1400 years before the slave trade Christianity would be impossible to spread throughout the continent given all that time, ya know

Willful ignorance breeds mental gymnastics

The history of the spread of Christianity throughout all of Africa is thoroughly verified in history

But since your a coli archaeological scholar please inform us of your detailed understanding of where each of our families originated from

 

[Lamar Givens]

How can a person consider him or herself free from the chains and shackles of slavery, when the heaviest chain and tightest shackle remains fastened and unlocked around their mind and spirit?

To imitate your master while cursing him is sickness of the highest degree. To proclaim independence and strength of character while never allowing yourself to form thoughts outside of the confines prescribed to you is utter confusion.

Black Christians are sadly confused, sick and still very much slaves. I don't care who disagrees or is angered by what I'm saying. It needs to be said. We'll go nowhere as a people while embracing the religion of our oppressors.

Unless you apply your logic to all other areas of your life that Europeans have taught you then this post is pure hypocrisy

I see you have no problem using English which was taught to you by your oppressors

Some of you dudes are ridiculous with your logic

 

[DPresidential]

First rule of Debate Club, respect your opponent's views. Not agree, but respect . Otherwise the debate unravels quickly.

I'm going to re-up this post.

We aren't talking about niceness. I'm not nice to any of y'all nikkas. [It's fukking hilarious that people can have the audacity to claim being mature and respectful in debate is tantamount to niceness.] But, I'm a man and in the context of debate that I volunteer myself to...I'm going to argue with respect.

Those that are tossing such hostile shyt at their adversary are in danger of exposing their lack of confidence, frustration or so my other deep seated hang up.

Good talk, brehs

@Lamar Givens makes a great point.

Million dollar question...

Which of the two was the most weaponized tool to disintegrate African rebellion at the onset of the slave trade:
Religion? Or language?

If I'm from the same tribe as @Lamar Givens and other brehs are from similar tribes...

What would an oppressor have to do before indoctrinating me with their Religion?

They'd have to destroy my language, create confusion, and reinstate THEIR language in a b*stardized way.

Language, AND LAWS AS LANGUAGE, more than anything else, has been the ultimate weapon in the oppression of our people.

**Clears throat**

Now to the brehs who puff their chest out exclaiming how fukking dumb and weak practitioners of religion are...

Please tell me whether an individual who uses English to conduct the MAJORITY of their business, CHILD RAISING, learning, etc, are fukking dumb sheep and slaves?

Church goers may go to church every Saturday or Sunday....

But English speakers...who REALLY would only know English because of enslavement and colonization... use it every second.

Can brehs rectify that?

 

[Black Steph Curry]

So come, tell us what we all should be worshipping, and you better not be talking about you're atheist/agnostic

Tha fukk u askin me 4?

1. It's obvious tht you're a devout Christian and you wouldnt give anything i say serious thought. You're just looking 4 an angle tht u can attack my post from, knowing good and damn well i made valid points

2. It ain't my prerogative to tell u what to follow. Tht should be a personal decision. All i want is 4 black ppl 2 apply critical thought into what they follow and make sure it falls in line with who they are, and not just because white daddy told their enslaved ancestors to accept tha word of god to get their pie in tha sky.

Edit: i notice your avi has a picture of a white hand holding tha earth. I presume thts supposed to represent tha hand of god. Very telling.

 

[DPresidential]

Next thread:

Are English Speakers grateful for slavery/colonization?

"How can black people, who knew that English was the language of their oppressor, not be disgusted at speaking in English? Imagine talking to your beautiful baby in the same language as those who whipped us during slavery?

The idea of singing proudly in this English tongue has to only be acceptable by those who are grateful for the language, right?

I mean, otherwise, anyone who is educated enough to know that we'd never be speaking this b*stard tongue if there was no colonization.

If you are an adult and your primary method of communication isn't in a non-colonizing tongue...the fact that your comfortable with this language...does that tell us anything about those sheep who use it?"


Of course the above is satire but it has the same, of not more, credibility than the original premise of this thread.

 

[Van Cleef]

The arrogance and rejection of spirituality is all very european.

the hatred of religion could only come from europeans,because blacks in america who know our history would have to know the impact religion has played in where we are today. Now if you naively believe we would be in better position if not for religion I ask for you to prove it. And please no fantasies of blacks starting an uprising and killing off all the white people,unless you have evidence this was ever in the cards and religion was the only thing holding us back.

Not all blacks during slavery and reconstruction were convinced that God is righteous, just, and loving. Nor were they persuaded that He would liberate the poor and the weak specially if they happened to be black. Not all were assured that slavery contradicted God's will and that His plan was ultimately to vindicate black people. Blacks should accept the traditional concept of God only when black suffering is terminated.

You’ve just committed the logical fallacy of either/or (false dilemma).

False Dilemma

Breh you said

For some reason a lot of black people do not want to grasp the consequences of the disobedient aspect

So because black people are disobedient God created white supremacy to punish us? Clearly that makes God a sadistic white supremacist.

 

[EdJo]

Not all West/Central Africans were forced to convert to Christianity i.e. Kongolese Christians.

Nat Turner
Denmark Vesey
Samuel Sharpe
Jack Gladstone

Lets not paint with broad strokes.

To be honest, majority of the kongolese were forced to convert. The first king that interacted with the portuguese, Nzinga a Nkuwu or João I of Kongo, fell in love with Christianity, but the majority of his people didn't want that. There were many wars inside of the Kongo Kingdom, because of that. New kingdoms and fractions were also born because of that.

Well, in Luanda(Angola's capital), there is an island called Priests Island(Ilha dos Padres), where the missionaires used to take kongolese, beat them and force them to adopt Christianity

This church, is where they used to force kongolese people to convert, after the beating and humiliation.

 

[kevm3]

Tha fukk u askin me 4?

1. It's obvious tht you're a devout Christian and you wouldnt give anything i say serious thought. You're just looking 4 an angle tht u can attack my post from, knowing good and damn well i made valid points

2. It ain't my prerogative to tell u what to follow. Tht should be a personal decision. All i want is 4 black ppl 2 apply critical thought into what they follow and make sure it falls in line with who they are, and not just because white daddy told their enslaved ancestors to accept tha word of god to get their pie in tha sky.

Edit: i notice your avi has a picture of a white hand holding tha earth. I presume thts supposed to represent tha hand of god. Very telling.

Very telling that you have all these critiques and nothing to put in replacement.

Plenty of black Christians have put in 'critical thought' and are doing very successful. Somehow Christianity isn't holding them back.

Very telling that I've pointed out several Bible verses where Jesus has the skin color of jasper, sardius or burnished bronze... or I've pointed out in Song of Solomon 1
4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.

5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

 

[NoChillJones]

Just what it says on the box.

Our people weren't Christians before being physically and psychologically invaded by Europeans. Given that people don't willingly just convert to different religions en masse, it's a safe bet that we wouldn't be Christian today.

Given that a core Christian tenet is that believers go to heaven and non-believers to hell, would it not rationally follow that they would prefer slavery->heaven over freedom->hell? Would they view it akin to a surgical procedure, a painful but necessary process?

Educate me my pious brehs and brehettes.

I know a few who voted for Bush and support Trump.............mostly because they support that 1 God bullshyt and are against Muslims.......just look at them with disgust like ........you dumb muthafukka

 

[Lamar Givens]

Not all blacks during slavery and reconstruction were convinced that God is righteous, just, and loving. Nor were they persuaded that He would liberate the poor and the weak specially if they happened to be black. Not all were assured that slavery contradicted God's will and that His plan was ultimately to vindicate black people. Blacks should accept the traditional concept of God only when black suffering is terminated.




Breh you said



So because black people are disobedient God created white supremacy to punish us? Clearly that makes God a sadistic white supremacist.

What were your parents when they disciplined you? Were they sadistic as well?

 

[Benefited]

Not all blacks during slavery and reconstruction were convinced that God is righteous, just, and loving. Nor were they persuaded that He would liberate the poor and the weak specially if they happened to be black. Not all were assured that slavery contradicted God's will and that His plan was ultimately to vindicate black people. Blacks should accept the traditional concept of God only when black suffering is terminated.




Breh you said



So because black people are disobedient God created white supremacy to punish us? Clearly that makes God a sadistic white supremacist.

But Marcus Garvey did


"Initially, Garvey was a member of the Roman Catholic Church, and later the African Orthodox Church. He revered certain passages of the Bible, particularly those that reference black people and Africa. "Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God,” he frequently quoted from Psalms 68:31. Texts from the Bible were used to bolster his belief in a black God, the “God of Ethiopia." As Garvey’s interest in African unity grew, he became critical of other sections of the Bible, which he claimed was altered to reinforce white superiority over blacks during slavery"

"God and Nature first made us what we are, and then out of our own created genius we make ourselves what we want to be. Follow always that great law. Let the sky and God be our limit and Eternity our measurement. ”

"If the white man has the idea of a white God, let him worship his God as he desires. Ifthe yellow mans God is of his race let him worship his God as he sees fit. We, asNegroes, have found a new ideal. Whilst our God has no color, yet it is human to seeeverything through ones own spectacles, and since the white people have seen theirGod through white spectacles, we have only now started out (late though it be) to seeour God through our own spectacles. The God of Isaac and the God of Jacob let Himexist for the race that believes in the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. We Negroesbelieve in the God of Ethiopia, the everlasting God—God the Father, God the Son andGod the Holy Ghost, the One God of all ages. That is the God in whom we believe, butwe shall worship Him through the spectacles of Ethiopia."


And Marcus Garvey was very accepting to people of all religions,but like someone said earlier. You athiest hate for god is greater than the love of your people. You would rather stand around doing nothing calling religious people idiots. While being unable to show the great works athiesm has done for our people or will do. You nikkas think you are slick,black athiest try to make the implication if it wasn't for religion,blacks would participate in a violent uprising on whites. But its relgions fault we are too passive to do that. Religion ain't the only thing that makes blacks love the white man,the love of money makes blacks with lack of knowledge of self love the white man and reinforce white supremacy. Or at least walk light and pretend like he does which is just as bad.