Are Brehs Who Date Outside Their Race, But Still Contribute To The AA Community STILL "SELLOUTS"?

[TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?]

Worst type of c00ns

 

[George's Dilemma]

Worst type of c00ns

Worse than Ben Carson?

 

[Gravity]

So if a Black individual in a IR relationship seeks to assist Black communities, should that said community shun that individual's efforts?

No. I wouldn't say that we shun anyone or anything that genuinely helps us. I wouldn't shun things that individual whites could do to help us.
Would you consider whites who did things to contribute to the black community to be pro-black? Do you realize that a lot of the white abolitionists were racists themselves?

 

[Birdie]

Sellout has no meaning much like c00n.

 

[invalid]

Race isn't a genetic construct so your question is invalid. "Black" simply means visibly of African descent. People over complicate the issue to push various agendas.

To answer the question of the thread, yes. Dating/marrying out is selling out. Contributing to the community doesn't change that.

I don't think you understood me, that was my point. I was responding to a remark about "decreasing our population." When I hear that, I hear that in the biological/genetic sense. So my question was "what is black genetically?" As you mentioned, it is not a genetic construct - which I agree with. So an argument about decreasing populations should be refined a bit because it falls short.

Now to you, when I think of the term "sell-out", to me it means someone who betrays a cause for personal gain. A cause should be agreed on by its practitioners. So what is this cause that "all visibly looking people of African descent" have agreed upon in that we can now start throwing out the word "sell out" to those who do not adhere?

I take it you mean pro-blackness? May I ask what is this?

Is it a lifestyle that encourages economic growth and development of black people?
Is it a lifestyle that encourages increasing the health, wealth, and population of black people?
Is it a lifestyle that promotes love for black people and encouraging and uplifting black youth?

Is it all of this?

This is the point that I making in relation to this thread. If many of you are so limited in your thinking to suggest that a black man can, in fact, support his community, but in the instance that he marries a person of a different race, that it voids out all of his contributions, then you should be generous and apply it to:

1) The black man that has kids by a black woman but never marries her. He's definitely contributing to the increase of the "visible" black population but also contributing to its financial ruin because single motherhood increases the likelihood of black generational poverty. He should be a sellout.

2) The black man that is not active in his children's lives. That's a sellout. He's not promoting the love, growth, and development of his own black children.

3) The black man that cheats. That's a sellout. He's contributing to the dysfunction of his own family, which leads to the breakdown of the black community.

3) The black man that makes money off of selling drugs to his own people. That's a sellout. He's actively working against the health and the development of the black community

4) The black man that makes money off of making music describing how he sells drugs to his own people. That's a sellout.

5) The black man that is not actively trying to build a business that will support his family and his community. That's a sellout.

6) The black man that kills another black man. That's a sellout.

7) The black man that shops at any store that is not black owned. That's a sellout.

8) The black man that buys food from any source that did not originate from a black farmer. That's a sellout.

9) Dr. Umar and any other black man that uses twitter and youtube as a form of communication. They are actively contributing to the financial success of white owned Silicon Valley companies that do not make it a priority to hire people that are visibly black when they can build their own black platforms and hire their own people. Those are sellouts.

We have to be careful on how we narrowly define things because, as it turns out, when you take a granular look at "pro-blackness", none of us actually measure up.

 

[George's Dilemma]

No. I wouldn't say that we shun anyone or anything that genuinely helps us. I wouldn't shun things that individual whites could do to help us.
Would you consider whites who did things to contribute to the black community to be pro-black? Do you realize that a lot of the white abolitionists were racists themselves?

Okay, well then is it not hypocritical to label that individual a sellout, c00n, traitor, etc., yet still accept his money and assistance at the same time? At the very least its disrespectful. Basically folks are saying this point any and all is assistance is welcome so we'll take your contributions but you're still a c00n. Thats a heck of a contradiction to be comfortable with, right?

To answer your question regarding abolitionists, of course they weren't pro Black. They had their own motivations obviously, some of which was humane, some selfish. In this case though we're talking Black individuals who feel the need to assist their own. I don't think their dating choices should invalidate them from being pro Black. Dating or marrying non Black shouldn't equate to rejection unless that individual stated emphatically they want nothing to do with their own romantically.

 

[Gravity]

I don't think you understood me, that was my point. I was responding to a remark about "decreasing our population." When I hear that, I hear that in the biological/genetic sense. So my question was "what is black genetically?" As you mentioned, it is not a genetic construct - which I agree with. So an argument about decreasing populations should be refined a bit because it falls short.

Black is defined as people who are visibly of African descent. IR obviously is part of the process that would lead to less people who are visibly of African descent.

Now to you, when I think of the term "sell-out", to me it means someone who betrays a cause for personal gain. A cause should be agreed on by its practitioners. So what is this cause that "all visibly looking people of African descent" have agreed upon in that we can now start throwing out the word "sell out" to those who do not adhere?

I'd say that a sell out is someone who consciously perpetuates the system that's oppressing their people for personal gain when it's not necessary.

The cause is to establish a strong feelings functional community that protects and and provides for blacks. That begins with the family. I don't see how we could fully trust people who personally opt out of creating a black family fight for that agenda.

I take it you mean pro-blackness? May I ask what is this?

Is it a lifestyle that encourages economic growth and development of black people?
Is it a lifestyle that encourages increasing the health, wealth, and population of black people?
Is it a lifestyle that promotes love for black people and encouraging and uplifting black youth?

Is it all of this?

Yes, it's all of that.

This is the point that I making in relation to this thread. If many of you are so limited in your thinking to suggest that a black man can, in fact, support his community, but in the instance that he marries a person of a different race, that it voids out all of his contributions, then you should be generous and apply it to:

1) The black man that has kids by a black woman but never marries her. He's definitely contributing to the increase of the "visible" black population but also contributing to its financial ruin because single motherhood increases the likelihood of black generational poverty. He should be a sellout.

2) The black man that is not active in his children's lives. That's a sellout. He's not promoting the love, growth, and development of his own black children.

3) The black man that cheats. That's a sellout. He's contributing to the dysfunction of his own family, which leads to the breakdown of the black community.

3) The black man that makes money off of selling drugs to his own people. That's a sellout. He's actively working against the health and the development of the black community

4) The black man that makes money off of making music describing how he sells drugs to his own people. That's a sellout.

5) The black man that is not actively trying to build a business that will support his family and his community. That's a sellout.

6) The black man that kills another black man. That's a sellout.

7) The black man that shops at any store that is not black owned. That's a sellout.

8) The black man that buys food from any source that did not originate from a black farmer. That's a sellout.

9) Dr. Umar and any other black man that uses twitter and youtube as a form of communication. They are actively contributing to the financial success of white owned Silicon Valley companies that do not make it a priority to hire people that are visibly black when they can build their own black platforms and hire their own people. Those are sellouts.

We have to be careful on how we narrowly define things because, as it turns out, when you take a granular look at "pro-blackness", none of us actually measure up.

This is all a weak deflection fam. A lot of that shyt is obviously reaching. We could discuss each one of those issues and whether they contradict being pro-black but you're just trying to cloud the issue. This is about IR.

 

[Tom Foolery]

In short, yes but since there is no customs being preserved, there is no liability.

I could go deep with this but I don't feel like wasting my time.

 

[George's Dilemma]

Black is defined as people who are visibly of African descent. IR obviously is part of the process that would lead to less people who are visibly of African descent.

I'd say that a sell out is someone who consciously perpetuates the system that's oppressing their people for personal gain when it's not necessary.

The cause is to establish a strong feelings functional community that protects and and provides for blacks. That begins with the family. I don't see how we could fully trust people who personally opt out of creating a black family fight for that agenda.

Yes, it's all of that.

This is all a weak deflection fam. A lot of that shyt is obviously reaching. We could discuss each one of those issues and whether they contradict being pro-black but you're just trying to cloud the issue. This is about IR.

But all of those things he listed don't contribute positively to the Black community. In fact some of those things affect communities negatively.

Let me ask you, if a Black individual who gets involved with IR cannot be pro Black, can the same be said for a Black womanizer who exclusively games Black women?

 

[Houston911]

There is NOTHING wrong with dating outside your race

Dating outside your race doesn't make you a sellout

I don't think you can call yourself pro black if you don't have a black partner though

 

[BrokePhiBroke]

"I been hearing this new thing..."

You ain't be hearing shyt.

Lately you been talking about middle eastern hoes a lot.

You not slick.


...let me find out.

 

[(Lean Ambrose)]

I swear y'all have more disdain for a dude in your neighborhood dating a white chic than you do for a dude who shoots that shyt up

...

 

[Gravity]

Okay, well then is it not hypocritical to label that individual a sellout, c00n, traitor, etc., yet still accept his money and assistance at the same time? At the very least its disrespectful. Basically folks are saying this point any and all is assistance is welcome so we'll take your contributions but you're still a c00n. Thats a heck of a contradiction to be comfortable with, right?

Life isn't fair fam. We didn't get into this position because whites and other non blacks have been fair to us.

I'm not on the self righteous shyt by the way. I don't agree with IR but if someone is actively fighting white supremacy or even just indirectly challenging it then I wouldn't even consider that person a full c00n/traitor or whatever. People like Ball and Byron Allen are with white broads but they're challenging white supremacy so I can applaud what they do business wise to challenge the system while disagreeing with them being with white women at the same time.

Let's just keep it real tho, blacks in IR aren't really challenging the system like that. People like to bring us this hypothetical as if we don't see how the shyt plays out. There's a difference in being pro-black and just being against (overt)white supremacy. We thought a lot of the civil rights movements cats were pro-black but really they were just against white supremacy and wanted to be accepted by white society. That's where the talking black fukking/marrying white shyt comes from. They sold out for integration by putting their faith in the same system that was oppressing them. The harsh reality is that if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

To answer your question regarding abolitionists, of course they weren't pro Black. They had their own motivations obviously, some of which was humane, some selfish. In this case though we're talking Black individuals who feel the need to assist their own. I don't think their dating choices should invalidate them from being pro Black. Dating or marrying non Black shouldn't equate to rejection unless that individual stated emphatically they want nothing to do with their own romantically.

Again, this idea if being a black person with a white or Asian chic and still be pro black is very far-fetched. It might be possible but it's not likely. Donating some money or volunteering some free time while going home to lay down with an white or Asian chic isn't being pro black. Establishing a raising a strong functional black family is being pro black. That's what we need. Y'all running from the truth looking for ways around the responsibility and sacrifices that it's going to take to truly rescue the community.

 

[George's Dilemma]

We thought a lot of the civil rights movements cats were pro-black but really they were just against white supremacy and wanted to be accepted by white society. That's where the talking black fukking/marrying white shyt comes from. They sold out for integration by putting their faith in the same system that was oppressing them. The harsh reality is that if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

A lot of Black people benefited from the work and organization of those civil rights activists regardless of their dating choices. They helped advance Black people in this society and you're saying thats not pro Black? Integration vs seperation is another topic. Besides, lets be honest, do you really think whites in that era or any era would have tolerated a seperate, competing system comprised of Black people threatening the dominant culture? Tulsa anyone? Brooklyn 2017?

Again, this idea if being a black person with a white or Asian chic and still be pro black is very far-fetched. It might be possible but it's not likely. Donating some money or volunteering some free time while going home to lay down with an white or Asian chic isn't being pro black. Establishing a raising a strong functional black family is being pro black. That's what we need. Y'all running from the truth looking for ways around the responsibility and sacrifices that it's going to take to truly rescue the community.

Again though, and we can use individuals within the civil rights movement as examples. Their actions benefited a lot of Black people regardless of who they slept with. The very definition of pro is an argument in favor of a course of action. They took a course of action and put their lives and careers on the line in favor of Black people. That makes them pro Black regardless of who they sleep with.

I do agree though that raising a strong Black family is important. However, Ben Carson to the best of my knowledge not only married a Black woman but in addition raised three sons as well. If the apples didnt fall far from the tree, is Carson still more pro Black than say Harry Belafonte?

 

[Gravity]

A lot of Black people benefited from the work and organization of those civil rights activists regardless of their dating choices. They helped advance Black people in this society and you're saying thats not pro Black? Integration vs seperation is another topic. Besides, lets be honest, do you really think whites in that era or any era would have tolerated a seperate, competing system comprised of Black people threatening the dominant culture? Tulsa anyone? Brooklyn 2017?



Again though, and we can use individuals within the civil rights movement as examples. Their actions benefited a lot of Black people regardless of who they slept with. The very definition of pro is an argument in favor of a course of action. They took a course of action and put their lives and careers on the line in favor of Black people. That makes them pro Black regardless of who they sleep with.

I do agree though that raising a strong Black family is important. However, Ben Carson to the best of my knowledge not only married a Black woman but in addition raised three sons as well. If the apples didnt fall far from the tree, is Carson still more pro Black than say Harry Belafonte?

The civil rights movement was a failure. In fact it ended up setting us back. MLK's dream was a fantasy that will never come to fruition. It's time to give up that dream.

Yea they destroyed Tulsa but that doesn't mean we should've given up on the idea. Try and try again learning from your mistakes until you succeed.

The Belafonte's will be an all white family in the foreseeable future. I respect his fight for black acceptance for what it was but I don't consider him pro black.