Are "c00ns" salvageable after that wake up call?

[philmonroe]

nikka... I was being pragmatic.

I knew if I even thought to somehow address any one particular person, it would devolve into...honestly, a reply like yours.

I was being dead ass. Debate/dialogue is a fukking drug to me. Considering many of my perspectives are DEFINITELY not the Coli consensus, I'm rarely called a c00n or other type of shyt because I think the people I engage with get a sense of respect in our dialogue.

Passive aggressive? Not at all. Want to know why you can tell I was genuine in that post?

I looked at @Nicole0416 replying "I understand, I appreciate you explaining that to me." And I sent her rep. And then I thought about other people wandering into the thread, seeing some ignorant and hostile back and forths and then seeing me and her exchange and thinking that same energy like, "He showed her!"

NAH. I know damn well I didn't WIN against her or have her think like me. I know she is still very strong in her view and she is just saying she understands what I was presenting and not necessarily agreeing. Same way where in many of her explanations, I absolutely understood what she means yet I don't always agree.

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Second proof?

The day most Coli nikkas respond to my posts like the way you did, that's probably the last day I'm on the fukking Coli. As stated, debate is a drug for me and part of that "fix" is being able to maintain respect throughout that debate. If that's not happening, I'm not being fulfilled. That post that you thought was passive aggressive? Nah nikka, that was me future proofing my ability to discuss shyt with nikkas without them thinking, "Oh, that's that nikka DPres, condescending ass nikka, fukk his thought, let me troll!"

I'll give you the last reply on this if you want it.

I’m pretty sure me and you are the only ones that had any type of “fukk you” type situation in this thread and then you’re talking about not addressing folks one on one. If I’m wrong I’ll take my L but if I’m right I just figure you can address me straight up. I don’t think me saying being passive aggressive is devolving into anything honestly. Maybe you just roll with different people than I used to because that’s not serious stuff at all.

As far as dummies on here saying c00n that shyt means nothing at this point. No spongebob fry cook calling me or you a c00n means anything but we didn’t go with the coli monolith pov. I don’t have a problem with you just disagreed with a part of your post.

I don’t know if you’re genuine hopefully you are. I just know I hate when people do the if you do this you’re on some white thinking flow. It feels like some bootleg identity politics stuff. That’s why I said what I said to you in my first post. Someone being close minded has nothing to do with race at all and that was my only point however “vulgar” it came off to you. Again no beef just disagreed with one point in your og post I responded to.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

nikka... I was being pragmatic.

I knew if I even thought to somehow address any one particular person, it would devolve into...honestly, a reply like yours.

I was being dead ass. Debate/dialogue is a fukking drug to me. Considering many of my perspectives are DEFINITELY not the Coli consensus, I'm rarely called a c00n or other type of shyt because I think the people I engage with get a sense of respect in our dialogue.

Passive aggressive? Not at all. Want to know why you can tell I was genuine in that post?

I looked at @Nicole0416 replying "I understand, I appreciate you explaining that to me." And I sent her rep. And then I thought about other people wandering into the thread, seeing some ignorant and hostile back and forths and then seeing me and her exchange and thinking that same energy like, "He showed her!"

NAH. I know damn well I didn't WIN against her or have her think like me. I know she is still very strong in her view and she is just saying she understands what I was presenting and not necessarily agreeing. Same way where in many of her explanations, I absolutely understood what she means yet I don't always agree.

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I'll give you the last reply on this if you want it.

Right, I give you that response to acknowledge your perspective because I am not able to fully engage in the discussion or offer feedback right now bc I'm working on some other things that take my time. That's not me trying to be dismissive or "getting one over". This is how intellectual discussions should be - different perspectives weighing in. Not necessary that we all come to the same consensus but it's nice to be on a thread where everyone is not on some other shyt or people being disrespectful off the rip, for instigation. That is tiring and old. I'm at the point where there's name recognition with certain posters that I know, to have an intellectual discourse and others where a "fuk you" is merited bc that's the only language they seem to understand and comply with. This is not the case with this thread or you.

I admit that I'm not too versed in the historical complexities of Malcolm X, so rather than respond with some random line just to have something to say; I responded back as a way of communicating in an effective way to say - Let me think about that and reflect on it. This "win" "lose" shyt is old hack. That's why it doesn't go unnoticed that posters who are always in the drama threads are rarely in here with opinions. They operate off childish or immature level of extremes - on some "if I say it, then it must be true" even though they have facts and evidence in front of them, they never admit when they're wrong or lacking. that's why I get defensive and I can relate to where that poster is coming from too. Not everyone has the same disposition. I mean, you've been here longer than me, so you know the vibe but I never see you caught up or targeted. There's people that have the capacity to elevate and others that have stagnated minds. Internet boards are the breeding grounds for the latter set, bc their expectations don't mesh with reality. (and for the record, i'm not referring to any specific poster in this discussion thread, just in general).

 

[philmonroe]

No need to violate - bc I take that as an offense as if women can't be rational in these types of discussions or have the inability to do so. Which clearly, I'm not doing, and neither is he. You're taking that a little bit too far. He's not a poster that gets down like that. You can disagree with him without resorting to insults, especially if he's coming from the right place and trying to be diplomatic.

If he was trying to be diplomatic he could’ve mentioned me by name and we just hash it out. Sorry but if you had a problem with a particular person and then make it seem like it was with many people that’s some passive aggressive or better yet cowardly stuff imo. As far as the feminine stuff that’s how certain things are looked at stereotypically. Doesn’t make it right but in an informal setting things like that are going to get said sorry. Lastly like most things if the comments don’t refer to you you shouldn’t be that upset not like I said you were whatever so don’t get why you would take it upon yourself to feel attacked. That’s like if a chick said ain’t shyt men I’m not hype off that because that’s not me.

Respect for your reply though and again I don’t think you were being wild in this thread so I wasn’t talking about you to make it clear.

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

If he was trying to be diplomatic he could’ve mentioned me by name and we just hash it out. Sorry but if you had a problem with a particular person and then make it seem like it was with many people that’s some passive aggressive or better yet cowardly stuff imo. As far as the feminine stuff that’s how certain things are looked at stereotypically. Doesn’t make it right but in an informal setting things like that are going to get said sorry. Lastly like most things if the comments don’t refer to you you shouldn’t be that upset not like I said you were whatever so don’t get why you would take it upon yourself to feel attacked. That’s like if a chick said ain’t shyt men I’m not hype off that because that’s not me.

Respect for your reply though and again I don’t think you were being wild in this thread so I wasn’t talking about you to make it clear.

No problem. I understand your point and your right to say what you said.
I was telling @DPresidential that at think at times, we get so used to a certain "segment" on here that serve no purpose other than instigation and antagonizing each other. Along with their inability to have any type of independent thought, that when we (those with rational insight) link up in discussions, like this, with people that are coming from the right place and purpose, we may feel more defensive than we need to be or out of our zone, bc it's conducive (if that makes any sense). Basically, a discussion without the negative groupthink or forced narratives, personas playing out is not the norm, lol, discussions don't have to thrive off dysfunction which is usually the standard.

 

[TEH]

Most of us on here were partially c00ning at some point ... being conscious isn’t natural unfortunately, due to the dominance of white supremacy.

 

[philmonroe]

Most of us on here were partially c00ning at some point ... being conscious isn’t natural unfortunately, due to the dominance of white supremacy.

What the hell does “c00ning” really mean? Tariq down retroed a word only grandparent aged people were using before he made it popular again and now anybody who don’t go with the online groupthink is one. That word is shaky and honestly just means disagreeing with some online black echo chamber talk. Nothing I’ve ever done was “c00nish”. I’m just like most people on here a regular person that’s causing no trouble trying to be better everyday.

 

[philmonroe]

No problem. I understand your point and your right to say what you said.
I was telling @DPresidential that at think at times, we get so used to a certain "segment" on here that serve no purpose other than instigation and antagonizing each other. Along with their inability to have any type of independent thought, that when we (those with rational insight) link up in discussions, like this, with people that are coming from the right place and purpose, we may feel more defensive than we need to be or out of our zone, bc it's conducive (if that makes any sense). Basically, a discussion without the negative groupthink or forced narratives, personas playing out is not the norm, lol, discussions don't have to thrive off dysfunction which is usually the standard.

Yeah I agree. I just think at times people see me type curse words or sayings like get off their dikks and take it for more than what it is.

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

ASAP not waking up y'all.

 

[saturn7]

What the hell does “c00ning” really mean? Tariq down retroed a word only grandparent aged people were using before he made it popular again and now anybody who don’t go with the online groupthink is one. That word is shaky and honestly just means disagreeing with some online black echo chamber talk. Nothing I’ve ever done was “c00nish”. I’m just like most people on here a regular person that’s causing no trouble trying to be better everyday.

Actually Nas brought it back years ago with his c00n Picnic song. It was big on Sohh.

To me c00ning has always meant....

putting on or being extra in front of white folks to suck up to them

shytting on other blacks in front of non-blacks using white supremacist talking points

denying systematic racism white supremacy

intentionally playing up racist stereotypes for profit

 

[philmonroe]

Actually Nas brought it back years ago with his c00n Picnic song. It was big on Sohh.

To me c00ning has always meant....

putting on or being extra in front of white folks to suck up to them

shytting on other blacks in front of non-blacks using white supremacist talking points

denying systematic racism white supremacy

intentionally playing up racist stereotypes for profit

No actually Tariq brought it back. I don’t care about who technically bought it back first but who made it popular and that was Tariq not Nas.

As for your examples I don’t even see most of these irl and I know online dudes will lie and say they see it all the time. The last one is probably the only one you see very rarely but the other ones I don’t even see them. Not saying they don’t happen because you can find anything online but unless you live online like a lot of people do nowadays this isn’t consistent reality your list.

 

[GreenGhxst]

Ask Malcolm Little.


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EDIT:
I've posted this many times before. I'm very proud of this article I made and it hits the same question mentioned here.



Before all of the brehs that are SO CONCRETE that anyone who has a different or softer perspective than them are c00ns, please reconsider how damaging that type of divisive perspective is.

^ I'm going to add this to my first post but, honestly, it hurts me when I see my black brothers become so fukking close minded and non-empathetic as if there is no way that anything they do can be considered as suspect.

I've said it before...


Malcolm Little, had he been a lost young black man like any of us could've AND HAVE BEEN - myself included - he would have been intellectually ostracized and spit on and called an irreparable c00n. 99% of the black men/women that y'all like to present as an example of a "c00n" PALE in comparison to how lost Malcolm was...yet, with the right guidance, empathy and compassion, he became greater than damn near anyone on this site.

It's disgusting how close minded some us can be. That's some european-esque thought process.

Cancel culture allows us to get in our feelings and get revenge on a whim

A lot of those same black people that forever cancel c00ns are the same ones smiling in their white friends or white bosses face after they make lowkey disparaging comments about black people

I'm just saying if you cancel c00ns forever, keep that same energy with them crackers at work, the ones in your friend group that sees you as a black before they see you as a human, your boss that gives Melissa the promotion instead of you because she's uncomfortable with your blackness even though you try to hide it by making them corny jokes


By no means do I support c00ns, I'm just saying some c00ning can be forgiven if the person shows that they've changed

 

[Nicole0416_718_929_646212]

ASAP not waking up y'all.

I think there's more than what it seems, going on with his situation.
Learning the hard way that whites are a real fickle group of people.

 

[DPresidential]

@philmonroe

No cap. Appreciate the way our dialogue ended, breh.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

We all was c00ns at one point (to a certain extinct). America breeds c00ns. Until you realize the American dream aint shyt. Imagine how thorough the original captives were when they first came to this country, or the indigenous people of this land. After hundreds of years of brainwashing, lynchings, and emasculation, that shyt watered us down as a people. We know what these muthfukkas have done to us generation after generation, but we refused to ban together and go to war. The atrocities we’ve been through is enough to die over. We are so fukked up mentally that some of us are thirsting over our enemies and want to marry them

 

[philmonroe]

@philmonroe

No cap. Appreciate the way our dialogue ended, breh.

No doubt just wanted to let you know a disagreement and how I post isn’t a personal thing. That is just how I personally post/talk in informal settings on and offline. Respect