Are we gonna pretend Drake hasn't surpassed every single rapper on "Forever"

[SirBiatch]

My nikka @SirBiatch keeping it 100

Always breh It's all I know

 

[Tide Run This]

Nikkas act like Drake doesn't have songs with no hooks where he spits for 4 minutes straight on all his projects.




Drake - 6PM In New York (Bonus Track) Drake - 30 for 30 Freestyle
Drake - Weston Road Flows

Nice cuts

 

[Tide Run This]

Always breh It's all I know

Great thread @SirBiatch you opened my eyes I think Drake got em beat

 

[SirBiatch]

Great thread @SirBiatch you opened my eyes I think Drake got em beat

Anytime breh

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Naw Kanye has 4 classics.
CD,LR,Graduation,MBDTF >>>

 

[Dwight Howard]

Stop posting

 

[tuckgod]

nah. and it's never been the case.

Ye's music has always be aimed at casual and non hip hop fans. Drake is the same way BUT with one key difference: he courts the street (serious hip hop fans) from time to time. That's where those talking tough/confident hard Boi1da beats from.

You really think Ye's pancake drums had serious hip hop in awe? cmon

You can't be serious.

Have you listened to College Dropout? Late Registration?

You think those albums were made for casual hip hop fans?

I will admit that he started shooting for other folks around Graduation time, but not before then.

As far as the streets, I don't know what streets you're referring to, but I don't know any real live street nikkas who bump Drake.

No matter what his drums sound like.

 

[SirBiatch]

You can't be serious.

Have you listened to College Dropout? Late Registration?

Don't ever ask me this question again. I was half way through college when College Dropout came out. I remember when Kanye first showed up on Chappelle's Show.

You think those albums were made for casual hip hop fans?

yep. and let's not forget RnB fans. They were the ones that really gravitated to Ye. Black college/high school women.

Dude was pop RnB hip hop from day one. I'm not gonna go into depth about this because I've already wasted enough time explaining this. I'm sure my in depth explanation about Ye being pop from day 1 is in The Coli somewhere. Late Registration has the lead singer from Maroon 5 on it and Jon Brion's handiwork (Fiona Apple) all over it for fux sake.

As far as the streets, I don't know what streets you're referring to, but I don't know any real live street nikkas who bump Drake.

No matter what his drums sound like.

I don't really care what real live street nikkas listen to. They don't 100% define the streets when it comes to hip hop and they never have.

The street just means "hardcore hip hop fans" or people who were plugged into that environment. Inner city/inner hood types. Yes that includes real live street nikkas but it's not limited to them by a long shot. DJ Premier was the go-to guy for 'the street cut' in the 90s. It just meant "hardcore hip hop fans", whether they were in Bed-stuy or Paris. Street cuts almost always had a harder sound because they were aimed at passionate hip hop fans. They were the credibility cuts.

 

[tuckgod]

Don't ever ask me this question again. I was half way through college when College Dropout came out. I remember when Kanye first showed up on Chappelle's Show.



yep. and let's not forget RnB fans. They were the ones that really gravitated to Ye. Black college/high school women.

Dude was pop RnB hip hop from day one. I'm not gonna go into depth about this because I've already wasted enough time explaining this. I'm sure my in depth explanation about Ye being pop from day 1 is in The Coli somewhere. Late Registration has the lead singer from Maroon 5 on it and Jon Brion's handiwork (Fiona Apple) all over it for fux sake.



I don't really care what real live street nikkas listen to. They don't 100% define the streets when it comes to hip hop and they never have.

The street just means "hardcore hip hop fans" or people who were plugged into that environment. Inner city/inner hood types. Yes that includes real live street nikkas but it's not limited to them by a long shot. DJ Premier was the go-to guy for 'the street cut' in the 90s. It just meant "hardcore hip hop fans", whether they were in Bed-stuy or Paris. Street cuts almost always had a harder sound because they were aimed at passionate hip hop fans. They were the credibility cuts.

Breh when College Dropout came out I was 23.

If your first recollection of Kanye is when he went on Chapelle that's part of the problem.

I don't need to research your past posts for your opinion on something I lived through.

Kanye comes from Roc A Fella records who were "the streets" (using your definition) at the time.

When he came out, his mission was to bridge the gap between mainstream hip hop and underground hip hop.

There was nothing R&B about his first two albums, and his fans were much more than college women.

Why wouldn't he use Adam Levine for a hook? It wasn't corny.

Do you remember the people Drake used as features on So Far Gone? Lykke Li?

And why wouldn't he bring in Jon Brion to help him lay the atmosphere for his album when he's a master at that type of shyt.

And they made some of the dopest hip hop of the last 20 years together.

As far as the streets, you keep using that term. I only know one streets. The hood.

I'm not familiar with this concept you just came up with on the fly.

It's cool how you just make shyt up and throw it out there to see what sticks.

Your cheerleaders eat it up.

 

[CrimsonTider]

You can't be serious.

Have you listened to College Dropout? Late Registration?

You think those albums were made for casual hip hop fans?

I will admit that he started shooting for other folks around Graduation time, but not before then.

As far as the streets, I don't know what streets you're referring to, but I don't know any real live street nikkas who bump Drake.

No matter what his drums sound like.

Yes they were made for them

 

[SirBiatch]

Breh when College Dropout came out I was 23.

If your first recollection of Kanye is when he went on Chapelle that's part of the problem.

Play dumb, brehs

Obviously I knew about Ye before that. I'm talking one of his first major appearances on TV as a solo artist. I'm trying to tell you that I'm well aware of what Ye did before and up until College Dropout because I was in university then.

you lived it so you know what I'm implying. Let's not play dumb.

There was nothing R&B about his first two albums, and his fans were much more than college women.

You couldn't be more wrong on this. Everything from the features (remember Brandy? Syleena Johnson) to the vibe (with the RnB soul samples) to fukking Slow Jamz (listen to the damn chorus).

As far as the streets, you keep using that term. I only know one streets. The hood.

I thought it was just "real live street nikkas". Now it's the hood. Which one is it breh?

My advice: think a bit bigger.

I didn't just make this shyt up. I just thought it was fairly obvious after being a serious hip hop fan for decades. Reading articles and researching opinions. When A&Rs/producers talk about making a street single, do you really think they're only focused on nikkas in the hood? Cmon breh. Street is often synonymous with 'underground'. As in, the type of song that'll excite core, underground-leaning fans. They tend to be in the inner cities and hoods but they can be anywhere

 

[tuckgod]

Play dumb, brehs

Obviously I knew about Ye before that. I'm talking one of his first major appearances on TV as a solo artist. I'm trying to tell you that I'm well aware of what Ye did before and up until College Dropout because I was in university then.

you lived it so you know what I'm implying. Let's not play dumb.

The only one playing dumb here is you, breh. Here's how..

You couldn't be more wrong on this. Everything from the features (remember Brandy? Syleena Johnson) to the vibe (with the RnB soul samples) to fukking Slow Jamz (listen to the damn chorus).

Who didn't have R&B singers on their albums, breh? Everybody from Rakim, to BDK, to KRS, to Big, to Nas, to Jay, to AZ, to whoever else you wanna name has used R&B singers on their records. You know what else they had on their albums? Soul Samples.

But I'm playing dumb...

Ithought it was just "real live street nikkas". Now it's the hood. Which one is it breh?

My advice: think a bit bigger.

I didn't just make this shyt up. I just thought it was fairly obvious after being a serious hip hop fan for decades. Reading articles and researching opinions. When A&Rs/producers talk about making a street single, do you really think they're only focused on nikkas in the hood? Cmon breh. Street is often synonymous with 'underground'. As in, the type of song that'll excite core, underground-leaning fans. They tend to be in the inner cities and hoods but they can be anywhere

You bought up the "streets" factor and knew from jump, due to my first response, that we weren't viewing that term from the same perspective.

But I'm playing dumb..


I don't view hip hop from a journalistic/blogger/armchair A&R/marketing/monetary standpoint, so I could care less how A&Rs use the term.

When you say "the streets", my mind automatically thinks the hood.

When A&R's and producers started using that term, they really meant what they said, for the streets.

This was before things like the internet and message boards allowed everybody to get joints at the same time.

But that's a whole nother conversation.

My advice: don't assume your perspective hasn't already been considered and discarded.

 

[SirBiatch]

Who didn't have R&B singers on their albums, breh? Everybody from Rakim, to BDK, to KRS, to Big, to Nas, to Jay, to AZ, to whoever else you wanna name has used R&B singers on their records. You know what else they had on their albums? Soul Samples.

But I'm playing dumb...

All these years you've been listening to hip hop, and nuance is lost on you.

Lemme help you:

If this debut album was all Kanye West ever managed to accomplish, he still would have made his mark on history, beating the "producer tries to rap" jinx once and for all. But he was just introducing himself. West sounded determined to cram everything he loved about music into each one of his hip-hop grooves, even if that meant sampling Bette Midler and claiming, "The way Kathie Lee needed Regis/That's the way I need Jesus." Maybe all he wanted to do was become an international superstar, but in the process, Kanye expanded the musical and emotional language of hip-hop. His R&B-flavored productions ran the range from the gospel riot "Jesus Walks" to the Luther Vandross tribute "Slow Jamz." Calling himself the "first [rapper] with a Benz and a backpack," he challenged all the rules, dancing across boundaries others were too afraid to even acknowledge. Every track was a bold move. But for this guy, bold was never going to be the problem.

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Kanye West, 'The College Dropout' - 100 Best Albums of the 2000s

Call The College Dropout over-ambitious, if you will, but every single one of these songs comes off like a genuine extension of Kanye’s personality and experiences. And all of them are musically engaging—an instrumental version of this album would rock the house. The album’s focus on old-school soul, gospel and funk sounds, with classic R&B hooks often processed and looped at a song’s center, fits thematically with the album’s look at survival, struggle, and community.

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Kanye West: The College Dropout

College Dropout is a competent if overlong debut, which serves up solid but by no means groundbreaking production work a little too dependent on familiar hooks from '70s R&B staples.

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Shakethrus: 2004 - Shaking Through.net: Music: Reviews

I've given you receipts. Please find receipts showing that College Dropout is NOT an R&B ass album. And since you're quick to deflect to Nas, Rakim, BDK, etc. show me where entire albums of their best work are looked at as R&B flavored.

Go ahead. Though I expect you to deflect/go mute. This is why I make posters so mad. They're so woefully uninformed, don't pay attention to nuances and are content in their ignorance.

The rest of your post was and I don't have time to address lazy juelz.

 

[SirBiatch]

@tuckdog got those receipts breh?

 

[Billy Ocean]

@tuckdog got those receipts breh?

Stfu, f@ggot.