Aries spears on God

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My question is, what about the other side? Folks always talk about the suffering and bad things God "allows" but what about the good?

What about the cancer/terminal patients that get told they have a certain amount of time to live, then they live another 20 years? My friends mom has had 6 different cancers in her body, she's hanging on by a string now, but she's still here and her sons are grateful for that. The child who's mom was killed or died giving birth, they were SUPPOSED to die but they miraculously survived and are thriving. The single parent who's about to be evicted with their child(ren) but a mysterious check happens to come to them, or they somehow get the money that they need...

I've seen several miracles in my life, ones only God could make happen. Hell, He's worked so many wonders in my life, I can't attribute it to anyone or anything but God. He isn't some "cosmic genie" here to grant all of your wishes. He gives comfort and blessings to those that believe and trust. If we never saw rain, how could we truly appreciate the sun? If you never saw pain/heartache, how could I truly appreciate happiness and joy? Maybe the bad stuff happens for a bigger reason. So that someone can learn or grow. IDK, if you get it you get it...if you don't, that's cool and you won't (well, hopefully you will) but the greatest thing God gave humanity (other than His son, Jesus) is free will. Nobody is forcing you to do or believe anything.
Just my opinion :yeshrug:




I'm not going to argue religion...it won't get us anywhere. If you don't believe, you will find a reason not to, and if you do, you will find a reason to. I believe and trust in God. His love is free and open to all. If you DON'T believe that's cool too, so there shouldn't be any problems with that either. Live your life and we will live ours... Peace and blessings
 

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No disrespect...
But why do u talk to ur mother... even if she cant do anything for u... u appreciate her and u talk to her.
U tell God what's on ur mind.
U show that u appreciate the things he does for u that you dont even know about.

Do u make ur lungs move? Do you control if ur going to get sick or not.
Who is the one who opens doors for u and gives u opportunities? Is it you?

So you have conversations with someone who you believe is listening to you.
 

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That way of thinking is very childlike...
And I hate when I get into conversations with ppl who say they dont believe in God and that's their reason.
Its freaking lazy, and not deep at all. Very childlike.

For example...

If a child wanted to eat candy all day...
But the parent took the candy away.
The child would cry, and cry for the candy.... and wonder why the parent is punishing them. Why they cant have this good thing, that they want.

But the parent knows better than the child.
The parent knows about dieting, sugar intake, cavities etc....

Muthafukaz is saying they dont believe in God cause people die, ppl suffer, muthafukaz go thru shyt, that a human being might feel is catastrophic or the end of the world.
Like a child losing its candy.

But a man like Arie spears and other ppl cant phathom for a second that a power that can create a whole universe of shyt... can think a million times beyond with u think and know.
And what u think is catastrophic, is just a means to a greater or worse result that only he knows.... but u dont...

Smh.... that shyt is fukking very simple to understand.

Hopefully people on the fense about believe in God gotta better reason than that

Isn't it more childlike to believe in a being that knows all and does all and that you will never see it/him/her, but they are always watching and they know if you have behaved or misbehaved?

No I am not talking about Santa Claus. I am talking about God.

Hopefully people that believe in God have a better response than "Trust the process" or "It's all apart of an unexplainable plan"
 

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I think many people want to leave it up to God when it comes to hardships of life. That’s not how it works though.
 

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My question is, what about the other side? Folks always talk about the suffering and bad things God "allows" but what about the good?

What about the cancer/terminal patients that get told they have a certain amount of time to live, then they live another 20 years? My friends mom has had 6 different cancers in her body, she's hanging on by a string now, but she's still here and her sons are grateful for that. The child who's mom was killed or died giving birth, they were SUPPOSED to die but they miraculously survived and are thriving. The single parent who's about to be evicted with their child(ren) but a mysterious check happens to come to them, or they somehow get the money that they need...

I've seen several miracles in my life, ones only God could make happen. Hell, He's worked so many wonders in my life, I can't attribute it to anyone or anything but God. He isn't some "cosmic genie" here to grant all of your wishes. He gives comfort and blessings to those that believe and trust. If we never saw rain, how could we truly appreciate the sun? If you never saw pain/heartache, how could I truly appreciate happiness and joy? Maybe the bad stuff happens for a bigger reason. So that someone can learn or grow. IDK, if you get it you get it..

Something as significant as being the absolute creator/ruler of the Universe doesnt get the benefit of Aaron Rodgers Syndrome (all the praise none of the blame).

I'll be damned if I'm supposed to shrug my shoulders and be sure there's a cosmic being with infinite love and salvation because lil Timmy beat an
aggressive form of Leukemia.

Meanwhile: 20 Afghan kids just got droned for carrying medical supplies back to their village.

Once again the Epicurean Paradox comes into play:
"God, he says, either wishes to take away evils, and is unable; or He is able, and is unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them?"
 

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Isn't it more childlike to believe in a being that knows all and does all and that you will never see it/him/her, but they are always watching and they know if you have behaved or misbehaved?

No I am not talking about Santa Claus. I am talking about God.

Hopefully people that believe in God have a better response than "Trust the process" or "It's all apart of an unexplainable plan"

Bro... ur ass came out of a vagina ... from a lil sperm cell.
Into a fully functioning world, that has seasons, animals, oxygen, trees... and a bunch of other shyt that you didnt created... neither did ur friends or ur parents.

U cant explain none of this shyt, how it works...
Or how it was created. Even the people who profession is to study it... only can come up with crazy ideas.

My nikka... theres levels of light u cant see, theres levels of sound u cant hear....
And it ain't called Santa Claus either

All this amazing shyt around you in perfect order...
And u think it's crazy to believe that someone created this shyt.

I'm not talking bout the other shyt...
Like praying and sins and shyt...
Just the fukking acknowledgement that this shyt isnt an accident...

Again... lets forget about the religious stuff for a second.

Can we both agree that it's a possibility that all this was created by a God?
 

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Its real simple. God said seek and you shall find. If you want to find out if its a God or not.. Read your bible, pray, ask for revelation (daily) and you will get your answer..

The majority of people that say God isnt real never did any of these things. They're just going off of another persons word or not even really trying to seek him for themselves. I promise if you read your bible daily, pray, and ask God to reveal himself to you..he wil. Simple.
 

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Something as significant as being the absolute creator/ruler of the Universe doesnt get the benefit of Aaron Rodgers Syndrome (all the praise none of the blame).

I'll be damned if I'm supposed to shrug my shoulders and be sure there's a cosmic being with infinite love and salvation because lil Timmy beat an
aggressive form of Leukemia.

Meanwhile: 20 Afghan kids just got droned for carrying medical supplies back to their village.

Once again the Epicurean Paradox comes into play:
"God, he says, either wishes to take away evils, and is unable; or He is able, and is unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them?"

Cool :manny:

Believe it or don't. I'm not forcing you and (most) Christians won't either.
A few extremes would, but REAL Christians will tell you (if you want to hear) and let you decide for yourself.
Again, I'm not trying to argue or convince you, I wouldn't be able to anyway...Blessings to you anyway broski, no love lost over here :salute:
 

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Can we both agree that it's a possibility that all this was created by a God?

Sure.

But theres also just as much as "evidence" that this was all created by aliens.

Or Unicorns.

Or that we are all living through a extreme advanced simulation.

Or taking it back to Theology, just as much evidence that Odin, Brahma, Makemake and Mbombo created the universe instead of Yahweh (and as the other poster said theyre sure as shyt.not different interpretations of the same god).
 

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I understand where he's coming from. Things happen in this world that conflict with the idea of an all knowing, benevolent God.

Personally I'm on the side of believing in a higher power but I'm not at all sold on how religion depicts it. I think if you take that away it's easier to make sense of the idea.
This physicist once blew my mind, i said "of course theres a God, you cant have something frome nothing" and he said why not? humans cant cimprehend that things just exist maybe it just is and theres nothing more to it.
 

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Simple, good old fashioned crisis of faith.


His struggle is most people's: he needs to believe that things progress based on the limits of his understanding of them. They don't.
 
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