As corny as Eminem became, nobody today f**kin with old em

[MouseTeeth]

Perhaps in a parallel universe where Lupe never existed.

Even then, while Eminem is supremely talented, multi-syllabic rhyming and flow can only get you so far. No disrespect to his skill, but it's also easier to rhyme that way when your substance is lacking and you don't have to really focus on a particular topic.

I find an emcee like an Ab-Soul, Black Thought, Jay-Z, or Nas to be far more impressive with their lyricism than what someone like an Eminem.

Eminem raps on topics exceptionally well. He can rhyme crazy on freestyles and deliver whether he's storytelling or doing a personal track, whatever. Ppl act like he fell off lyrically..have u ever listened to "Deja Vu" on relapse? He absolutely BODIED that shyt. Those other dudes u mentioned can't hang (except for thought). I mean we could go back to SSLP days n talk about songs like rock bottom, if I had, as the world turns, guilty conscience...ffw to MMLP Stan, Who knew, the way I am, drug ballad. C'mon man stop it w that Eminem has no substance...conceptually he's iller than most rappers in the game. U know who lacks substance these days? (N he's one of my favs) Jay-z his topic is always some money talk, which I get, that's his shyt but he doesn't take risks. Yeah eminem has corny singles and to the passive fan it might seem like he lacks substance, but as someone who's literally heard 99% of everything he's done, hearing a statement like that is ridiculous. Not only can he rap better than everyone, he's versatile, creative and his flow is ridiculous. Only thing Eminem will never b able to do is make a certified banger that the streets fukk w n I think low key that's y he'll never b considered the GOAT n Hov has that title in the eyes of hip hop in general. U could never go to a club/hip hop spot n hear a DJ spin eminem like they do w Big or Jay, his records don't work in that setting.

 

[SunZoo]

@ sunzoo what do u think of eminem skill set as far as his rhyming goes like what sperates him from any other mc in the game

I mean you already said he's one of the greatest straight up rhymers period. I think what separates him from just rhyming is being able to translate "rippity rap" into songs like stimulate.

I think that 3rd verse kinda sums him up as an artist. Technically proficient, honest, poetic.

Perhaps in a parallel universe where Lupe never existed.

Even then, while Eminem is supremely talented, multi-syllabic rhyming and flow can only get you so far. No disrespect to his skill, but it's also easier to rhyme that way when your substance is lacking and you don't have to really focus on a particular topic.

I find an emcee like an Ab-Soul, Black Thought, Jay-Z, or Nas to be far more impressive with their lyricism than what someone like an Eminem.

@ the ab-soul...and i like soulo, a lot actually but you're shytting me.

Thought and nas breathe rare air when it comes to this rhyming shyt though. Lupe is one of my favorite artists but i'd have a hard time even putting his last album over recovery, which is something i wasn't a huge fan of...let alone relapse, we not even gonna talk about gayzers.

Lu's brand of lyricism is different, more metaphor driven which makes great for brain teasers but his delivery does nothing to drive them home. If we're talking about literary devices and all that, lupe would make most rappers look foolish...on paper. shyt gemini was more than holding his own and i don't even consider him to be that ill bar for bar, he just had a way stronger presence.

 

[call_me_step_daddy]

Eminem-Throwin Words Out Freestyle - YouTube



holy shyt this is how you really freestyle

so saying a buncha gay shyt is dope to you?

 

[BangBike]

I can honestly say I've heard every underground/rare Em track but there was one in there I don't think I've heard b4...the "ima shove guns in the mouths of ur loved ones" rap...any source for this?

edit: its the one where he says "im off my fukkin rocker like my grandma tippin over" wheres that from?


Oh and yeah em is the GOAT

He spit that on a college radio station in 97.
I never heard it in a real song or anything before..

Source:

 

[MouseTeeth]

I mean you already said he's one of the greatest straight up rhymers period. I think what separates him from just rhyming is being able to translate "rippity rap" into songs like stimulate.

I think that 3rd verse kinda sums him up as an artist. Technically proficient, honest, poetic.



@ the ab-soul...and i like soulo, a lot actually but you're shytting me.

Thought and nas breathe rare air when it comes to this rhyming shyt though. Lupe is one of my favorite artists but i'd have a hard time even putting his last album over recovery, which is something i wasn't a huge fan of...let alone relapse, we not even gonna talk about gayzers.

Lu's brand of lyricism is different, more metaphor driven which makes great for brain teasers but his delivery does nothing to drive them home. If we're talking about literary devices and all that, lupe would make most rappers look foolish...on paper. shyt gemini was more than holding his own and i don't even consider him to be that ill bar for bar, he just had a way stronger presence.

I concur

 

[KiD WavE]

RIP old em

 

[SubLyminalz]

Perhaps in a parallel universe where Lupe never existed.

Even then, while Eminem is supremely talented, multi-syllabic rhyming and flow can only get you so far. No disrespect to his skill, but it's also easier to rhyme that way when your substance is lacking and you don't have to really focus on a particular topic.

I find an emcee like an Ab-Soul, Black Thought, Jay-Z, or Nas to be far more impressive with their lyricism than what someone like an Eminem.

u lumped ab soul in with 3-4 of the greatest lyricist to ever touch a mic.


im a huge fan of soul but stop it

 

[Versa]

Eminem raps on topics exceptionally well. He can rhyme crazy on freestyles and deliver whether he's storytelling or doing a personal track, whatever. Ppl act like he fell off lyrically..have u ever listened to "Deja Vu" on relapse? He absolutely BODIED that shyt. Those other dudes u mentioned can't hang (except for thought). I mean we could go back to SSLP days n talk about songs like rock bottom, if I had, as the world turns, guilty conscience...ffw to MMLP Stan, Who knew, the way I am, drug ballad. C'mon man stop it w that Eminem has no substance...conceptually he's iller than most rappers in the game. U know who lacks substance these days? (N he's one of my favs) Jay-z his topic is always some money talk, which I get, that's his shyt but he doesn't take risks. Yeah eminem has corny singles and to the passive fan it might seem like he lacks substance, but as someone who's literally heard 99% of everything he's done, hearing a statement like that is ridiculous. Not only can he rap better than everyone, he's versatile, creative and his flow is ridiculous. Only thing Eminem will never b able to do is make a certified banger that the streets fukk w n I think low key that's y he'll never b considered the GOAT n Hov has that title in the eyes of hip hop in general. U could never go to a club/hip hop spot n hear a DJ spin eminem like they do w Big or Jay, his records don't work in that setting.

I think you're greatly exaggerating Eminem's history of making songs with thought provoking content. Staying on topic and having substance are two different things. I used to be a massive Eminem fan, but he doesn't have enough songs in his resume where to me his skills are put to great use like "Stan". I think the criticism that he's corny is fair with years of proof to back it up.

I don't agree that Eminem can rap better than everyone else either. I consider emcees like Nas, Andre 3000, Lupe Fiasco, Black Thought, etc to be superior. If you want an example of what I consider to be superior rapping, listen to Andre 3000's verse on "16", or all 3 verses of Lupe's "Failure" as examples.

I agree with your views on Jay-Z for the record. His content is very shallow and materialistic - especially as of late. Gets boring fast.

@ the ab-soul...and i like soulo, a lot actually but you're shytting me.

Thought and nas breathe rare air when it comes to this rhyming shyt though. Lupe is one of my favorite artists but i'd have a hard time even putting his last album over recovery, which is something i wasn't a huge fan of...let alone relapse, we not even gonna talk about gayzers.

Lu's brand of lyricism is different, more metaphor driven which makes great for brain teasers but his delivery does nothing to drive them home. If we're talking about literary devices and all that, lupe would make most rappers look foolish...on paper. shyt gemini was more than holding his own and i don't even consider him to be that ill bar for bar, he just had a way stronger presence.

Firstly, I think Ab-Soul is a really talented emcee who puts a lot of thought into his rhymes. I don't think comparing him to Eminem is blasphemous at all.

Recovery over Food & Liquor II? I'd say only a hardcore stan would have that point of view, but then again, you would say the same to me wouldn't you? So no point in talking about that

Lasers was a disappointment, yes, but let's not act like it was devoid of good songs. What song on Recovery is really fukking with the lyrical content of this?

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWGLYEBYmyI"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWGLYEBYmyI[/ame]

My self portrait shows a man that the wealth tortured
Self-absorbed with his own self-forfeit
A shelf full of awards
Worshiping the war ships that set sail on my sea of life
When I see my old self I wonder if we still see alike
We was tight seeing lights
Speaking right and breathing life
Now I see my demons and barely even sleep at night
I don't get high. Life keep me at a decent height
As the old me I predicted all my recent plights
Exhausted, trying to fall asleep. Lost inside my recent fights
Burdens on my shoulders now, burnin' all my motives down
Inspiration drying up, motivation slowing down

I'm begging me don't let me go
We vow like the letter "O"
To never go our separate ways
And spin-off into separate shows
Tired of all the wardrobe changin'
Playing all these extra roles
Filled with all these different spirits
Livin' off these separate souls
Point in life is getting hollow
Came here for the exit hole
Give me room the entry wound. Let me in and let me go
So I can roam around this wilderness
See it for what it really is
Unprepared and filterless
Magnify the youth in me, alibi the shootin' spree
Amplify the revolution, sanitize the lunacy
Strip away the justice, justify the scrutiny
I can see the lasers shootin' out of you and me

C'mon breh, and that's Lupe at his creative lowpoint. That's his light
shyt.

Views on delivery and whatnot are subjective. I personally think his delivery is fine, and that Eminem's is absolutely horrible as of recent. I stick to the rhymes and the content of the words, and to me Eminem is nowhere near the level of emcee that Lupe is, and it really isn't close.

While Eminem's rhyming techniques and flow are impeccable and his talent is undeniable, the depth and thought put into the words pale in comparison to many, many, many rappers. I'm also not a fan of shock rapping in the least, so not having substance in the themes of your songs is a huge minus. The only thing talking about raping people and killing gays does for me is induce intense eye rolls. shyt's whack. You're never going to convince me that what Eminem does is more impressive than what an Andre 3000, Lupe, or Nas does.

 

[Versa]

u lumped ab soul in with 3-4 of the greatest lyricist to ever touch a mic.


im a huge fan of soul but stop it

He's realllllllllly good though. It's only a matter of time IMO. If people can toss Kendrick in the conversation, then why not bring up Soul too? He's every bit as good as K Dot IMO. He just doesn't have the machine behind him like Kendrick does.

In fact, he might be a stronger lyricist overall.

 

[the rhyme king]

I mean you already said he's one of the greatest straight up rhymers period. I think what separates him from just rhyming is being able to translate "rippity rap" into songs like stimulate.

I think that 3rd verse kinda sums him up as an artist. Technically proficient, honest, poetic.



@ the ab-soul...and i like soulo, a lot actually but you're shytting me.

Thought and nas breathe rare air when it comes to this rhyming shyt though. Lupe is one of my favorite artists but i'd have a hard time even putting his last album over recovery, which is something i wasn't a huge fan of...let alone relapse, we not even gonna talk about gayzers.

Lu's brand of lyricism is different, more metaphor driven which makes great for brain teasers but his delivery does nothing to drive them home. If we're talking about literary devices and all that, lupe would make most rappers look foolish...on paper. shyt gemini was more than holding his own and i don't even consider him to be that ill bar for bar, he just had a way stronger presence.

yeah i agree is the rare bread of being not just rap his ass off which he can do at any given moment but having the ability to craft good songs also

but i also disagree i feel like lupe and eminem are obvously two different typers of lyricist in terms of content , what they talk about flow and rhyme style with the nod obviously going to eminem in that department


but eminem is so ill with wordplay and metaphors and punchlines also he don't get the credit he deserves in that department.

 

[the rhyme king]

I think you're greatly exaggerating Eminem's history of making songs with thought provoking content. Staying on topic and having substance are two different things. I used to be a massive Eminem fan, but he doesn't have enough songs in his resume where to me his skills are put to great use like "Stan". I think the criticism that he's corny is fair with years of proof to back it up.

I don't agree that Eminem can rap better than everyone else either. I consider emcees like Nas, Andre 3000, Lupe Fiasco, Black Thought, etc to be superior. If you want an example of what I consider to be superior rapping, listen to Andre 3000's verse on "16", or all 3 verses of Lupe's "Failure" as examples.

I agree with your views on Jay-Z for the record. His content is very shallow and materialistic - especially as of late. Gets boring fast.



Firstly, I think Ab-Soul is a really talented emcee who puts a lot of thought into his rhymes. I don't think comparing him to Eminem is blasphemous at all.

Recovery over Food & Liquor II? I'd say only a hardcore stan would have that point of view, but then again, you would say the same to me wouldn't you? So no point in talking about that

Lasers was a disappointment, yes, but let's not act like it was devoid of good songs. What song on Recovery is really fukking with the lyrical content of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWGLYEBYmyI





C'mon breh, and that's Lupe at his creative lowpoint. That's his light
shyt.

Views on delivery and whatnot are subjective. I personally think his delivery is fine, and that Eminem's is absolutely horrible as of recent. I stick to the rhymes and the content of the words, and to me Eminem is nowhere near the level of emcee that Lupe is, and it really isn't close.

While Eminem's rhyming techniques and flow are impeccable and his talent is undeniable, the depth and thought put into the words pale in comparison to many, many, many rappers. I'm also not a fan of shock rapping in the least, so not having substance in the themes of your songs is a huge minus. The only thing talking about raping people and killing gays does for me is induce intense eye rolls. shyt's whack. You're never going to convince me that what Eminem does is more impressive than what an Andre 3000, Lupe, or Nas does.

how u say that then say lupe is better in that department that is some bullshyt if i ever heard some imo

 

[MouseTeeth]

I think you're greatly exaggerating Eminem's history of making songs with thought provoking content. Staying on topic and having substance are two different things. I used to be a massive Eminem fan, but he doesn't have enough songs in his resume where to me his skills are put to great use like "Stan". I think the criticism that he's corny is fair with years of proof to back it up.

I don't agree that Eminem can rap better than everyone else either. I consider emcees like Nas, Andre 3000, Lupe Fiasco, Black Thought, etc to be superior. If you want an example of what I consider to be superior rapping, listen to Andre 3000's verse on "16", or all 3 verses of Lupe's "Failure" as examples.

I agree with your views on Jay-Z for the record. His content is very shallow and materialistic - especially as of late. Gets boring fast.



Firstly, I think Ab-Soul is a really talented emcee who puts a lot of thought into his rhymes. I don't think comparing him to Eminem is blasphemous at all.

Recovery over Food & Liquor II? I'd say only a hardcore stan would have that point of view, but then again, you would say the same to me wouldn't you? So no point in talking about that

Lasers was a disappointment, yes, but let's not act like it was devoid of good songs. What song on Recovery is really fukking with the lyrical content of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWGLYEBYmyI



At least u gotta admit the only ppl u can put in the conversation is the absolute elite

C'mon breh, and that's Lupe at his creative lowpoint. That's his light
shyt.

Views on delivery and whatnot are subjective. I personally think his delivery is fine, and that Eminem's is absolutely horrible as of recent. I stick to the rhymes and the content of the words, and to me Eminem is nowhere near the level of emcee that Lupe is, and it really isn't close.

While Eminem's rhyming techniques and flow are impeccable and his talent is undeniable, the depth and thought put into the words pale in comparison to many, many, many rappers. I'm also not a fan of shock rapping in the least, so not having substance in the themes of your songs is a huge minus. The only thing talking about raping people and killing gays does for me is induce intense eye rolls. shyt's whack. You're never going to convince me that what Eminem does is more impressive than what an Andre 3000, Lupe, or Nas does.

All the rappers u named r super nasty. At the very least u gotta agree that the only ppl that can even b mentioned alongside eminem in terms of comparable talent r raps elite class: Andre, Lupe, Black Thought etc. These aren't ordinary mc's by any stretch of the imagination and no matter who the hot rapper of the moment is, they will always occupy that space. I guess it's a matter of preference. I prefer ems catalogue over lupes even tho food n liquor and the cool r Incredibly dope albums. I think there's also bias since em came out when I was like 12-13 so there's a nostalgic element as well.

 

[Versa]

how u say that then say lupe is better in that department that is some bullshyt if i ever heard some imo

You disagree about Lupe's lyrical content having far more depth and complexity?

You really shouldn't. Because it's obvious. Eminem has the edge in multi-syllabic rhyming. And while Lu's flow is great, I'd probably give Em the edge in that too due to difficulty leveling of flowing well with such intricate rhyme schemes, but that's about it. Every other aspect of rapping Lupe is better at by a WIDE margin.


Lupe Fiasco

C'mon brehs. Let's be really real.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIuitrUYPo"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIuitrUYPo[/ame]

 

[Versa]

All the rappers u named r super nasty. At the very least u gotta agree that the only ppl that can even b mentioned alongside eminem in terms of comparable talent r raps elite class: Andre, Lupe, Black Thought etc. These aren't ordinary mc's by any stretch of the imagination and no matter who the hot rapper of the moment is, they will always occupy that space. I guess it's a matter of preference. I prefer ems catalogue over lupes even tho food n liquor and the cool r Incredibly dope albums. I think there's also bias since em came out when I was like 12-13 so there's a nostalgic element as well.

Please understand that despite my feelings on him as an artist, as a raw TALENT I personally believe Lupe Fiasco and Eminem are the best emcees to ever pick up a microphone. At the very worst the best I've ever heard.

Unfortunately, talent is only half the battle, and I feel that Eminem doesn't use his to the best of his ability while someone like a Mos Def or Black Thought - who are extremely talented in their own right - milks their gifts for all it's worth.

Like, I'd love to hear Em do a record like Thought's "Dear God 2.0", but I just don't think he has it in him.

I'd rather listen to the guy who might not be as technically skilled but has substance in his rhymes over the guy who's rhyme scheming and flowing about killing his baby mama and popping pills. It's just not entertaining to me breh. I need that real. I need that substance.

With that said, I respect the guy's immense abilities and understand why he has a lot of fans. Being white helps him immensely in that regard, but his skin would be irrelevant if he didn't have the talent.


EDIT: One of my favorites....

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2FhbhDGVlU"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2FhbhDGVlU[/ame]

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Once again, there was more to Em than just being great at multi's, he's still great at multi's and he sucks now. Em's past mic presence, charisma & just overall entertainment level puts him in a whole other stratosphere to the rappity rappers like Elzhi