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Again, feminism != "fundafeminism", you told on yourself twice in 2 posts.

Hating an ideology by taking its fringe + extreme elements as all its about is pretty silly.

But you go ahead and get the last word in.

:comeon: Who do you think runs the show among modern feminists today?

:manny: When the fringe elements rule the direction of the movement, it's a fair assessment.

:heh: I guess if you're losing the argument, "giving" me the last word can let you feel like you made some headway.
 
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:manny: My saying that as a quasi-tongue-in-cheek thing shows that you really can't take things within context and that you haven't read my past posts.

:aicmon: I never once said that I wanted a woman that was a breadwinner (I've almost never seen this), traditional housewife, or a virgin, so don't apply those arguments to me. I never made them.

:rudy: Being anti-feminist is not the same thing as being anti-female, but I know that the coli feminists like to pretend that people that criticizing feminism is the same thing as hating women to try and shame men out of criticizing feminism. All my criticism was valid and again, the only rebuttal that the feminists have had are unfounded allegations of ignorance and hatred.

Try harder.

Tbh, hate the player, not the game. I think you're talking alike a dude who doesn't know much about feminism. I dunno what some feminist may have done to you in your past but you've painted us with a large brush. You need to meet a feminist who believes in men's rights/equality for all and have a frank discussion with her about it.

Till then maybe you should start posting here and share your experiences
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Also your post about how women can't be funny and following christopher hitchens was some kind of BS and sexist on its own. And yes I got the message of the article, I didn't just read the byline. Only ugly chicks and gay chicks can be funny? Come on. Any dude with sense would be appalled by that conclusion and it discredits the comedy of those women and the intelligence of men. Besides, Rosie O'Donnell has never made me laugh. :CUDWUT:
 

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Tbh, hate the player, not the game. I think you're talking alike a dude who doesn't know much about feminism. I dunno what some feminist may have done to you in your past but you've painted us with a large brush. You need to meet a feminist who believes in men's rights/equality for all and have a frank discussion with her about it.

Till then maybe you should start posting here and share your experiences
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Also your post about how women can't be funny and following christopher hitchens was some kind of BS and sexist on its own. And yes I got the message of the article, I didn't just read the byline. Only ugly chicks and gay chicks can be funny? Come on. Any dude with sense would be appalled by that conclusion and it discredits the comedy of those women and the intelligence of men. Besides, Rosie O'Donnell has never made me laugh. :CUDWUT:

Eh, maybe I'll post there, maybe I won't. In addition, considering what I do know about how much language can rule the course of a debate, how feminism has manifested through legislation and perceptions on gender in modern culture, and lastly, how it's impacted me, I don't see my final assessment as unfair.

As for Christopher Hitchens, I really find it difficult to find him to be off of the mark. And to say that Rosie O'Donnell hasn't made you laugh doesn't mean that being butch isn't a method applied by comediennes to be funny, it just means that Rosie was never good enough at it for your tastes. She was still good enough for others, however.
 
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Eh, maybe I'll post there, maybe I won't. In addition, considering what I do know about how much language can rule the course of a debate, how feminism has manifested through legislation and perceptions on gender in modern culture, and lastly, how it's impacted me, I don't see my final assessment as unfair.

As for Christopher Hitchens, I really find it difficult to find him to be off of the mark. And to say that Rosie O'Donnell hasn't made you laugh doesn't mean that being butch isn't a method applied by comediennes to be funny, it just means that Rosie was never good enough at it for your tastes. She was still good enough for others, however.

His suggestion presumes that men think only with their dikks period. That's insulting to men's intelligence. Just because that's the way he thought doesn't mean it's the way all men thought.
 

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His suggestion presumes that men think only with their dikks period. That's insulting to men's intelligence. Just because that's the way he thought doesn't mean it's the way all men thought.

I think that you're assuming he's speaking in absolutes when he's not...
 
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I think that you're assuming he's speaking in absolutes when he's not...

Saying only a few female comedians can be funny and men are only laughing because they want to fukk them.... I don't really understand how I'm misunderstanding his view.

Is there something I should understand? Because I'll gladly read that.
 

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Saying only a few female comedians can be funny and men are only laughing because they want to fukk them.... I don't really understand how I'm misunderstanding his view.

Is there something I should understand? Because I'll gladly read that.

Did you read the related article? That's not what he said:

Why Women Aren't Funny | Vanity Fair
 

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So what you're saying is that you want to have your cake and eat it, too. You want me to take feminism seriously despite Dworkin's influence and others like her. You say that my disagreeing with you doesn't upset you, yet you haven't let this go despite you saying that you were going to since yesterday. You insist on "educating" me with some ivory tower lip-service bullshyt, yet you don't really seem to want to see how the ideas of feminism have manifested into the culture and legislation sphere. Seems pretty disingenuous to me.

I guess that I don't have the time that you have to devote to an internet argument on the coli, but that wouldn't really make me less correct than I already am. You are purposefully dismissing the grievances that I had with feminism that I had listed way, way before and how it's about disingenuous man hating, and your only rebuttal is again, a couple feminist scholars who have little to no influence on how the modern state of feminism manifests into reality. Again, you're going to have to leave you office to really see it.

You can't run away from reality. You can't run away from the man hating nature of feminism. You can't run away from the fact that my disagreeing with you upsets you this much because your fervent defense of this ideology certainly says something about it. You can't hide behind a bunch of ad-hominem attacks on me calling me ignorant, because I'm the one who's actually living in reality. I can't take this seriously as a subject of study or an ideology because of what it does to people.


You are willfully ignorant. Have no influence?. I gave you resources and you refuse to read. Is that not sign of someone who is willfully ignorant? Hell you could even google the stuff that I mentioned if you are too lazy to actually try to learn more than you already. You are seriously clueless.

There is a difference between correcting someone and defending something. I am replying because you keep on quoting and honestly we can do this shyt until eternity because as long as you quote me and purposely misinterpret what I say, I am going to reply.

When have I tried to "run away from anything" Please show me?

Where are your "sources"? Why can't you countered what I said last night with actually sources rather than silly ass arguments like the bold?
 

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You are willfully ignorant. Have no influence?. I gave you resources and you refuse to read. Is that not sign of someone who is willfully ignorant? Hell you could even google the stuff that I mentioned if you are too lazy to actually try to learn more than you already. You are seriously clueless.

There is a difference between correcting someone and defending something. I am replying because you keep on quoting and honestly we can do this shyt until eternity because as long as you quote me and purposely misinterpret what I say, I am going to reply.

When have I tried to "run away from anything" Please show me?

Where are your "sources"? Why can't you countered what I said last night with actually sources rather than silly ass arguments like the bold?

They're damn books, Jesus Christ. You really expect me to go through all of that as soon as you send them to me as if I have the time for that? Did you google the stuff that I brought up? Obviously not.

You were defending feminism by doing what you thought was correcting me. You seem to confuse paraphrasing someone with wrongly interpreting/wrongly quoting someone, and that's just not the case here. What's the point of explaining anything to you? Everything I wrote didn't get through and the things that you were posting only served to further prove the points that I was making.

Here's some examples, like how you asked:

- By directive of the US Department of Education: A rape accusation need not meet the legal standard of 'proof beyond a reasonable doubt' to end the accused's college career:

- The U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights has lowered the standards required to determine the outcome of a sexual discrimination or harassment case. The DEAR COLLEAGUE LETTER, April 2011, requires a preponderance of the evidence standard (satisfied if there is greater than 50 percent chance that the proposition is true) to resolve complaints of sex discrimination.

If you think that this will help men in some way, you're deluding yourself.

Title IV-D requires that a father be named if a woman who applies for welfare has kids, or the mother loses benefits. When benefits for free-loaders are about to be lost, they have no problem putting the name of a father down - right or wrong.

- The Injustice by Default article about child support legislation shows how easy it is to fraudulently name a random man as the father, and the difficulty he meets in acquitting himself of the ensuing debt, even when dna clearly shows that he's not the father.

- The Bradley Amendment requires state courts to prohibit retroactive reduction of child support obligations.

- Doug Dante's article here points out the laws involved in the federal subsidies aimed at maximizing child support payments. Follow the money: The Federal Government provides financial incentives to states' efforts to maximize the number of CS payers and the amount they are forced to pay.

- Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott's site forwards the assumption that noncustodial parents are fathers
A woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act, like statutory rape, committed by the woman- Hermesmann v. Seyer

- According to a 2010 report, Expanding Definitions of Domestic Violence”, 63% of states include emotional distress in their statutory definition of domestic violence. That means any person who claims to be “fearful” – no evidence necessary — is entitled to a protective order and the generous cornucopia of bennies that comes with it.

- Women are treated better in all aspects of the legal system. For instance, women receive lighter sentences and a higher chance of acquittal, simply for being women. http://www.terry.uga.edu/~mustard/sentencing.pdf

- The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting in having mostly male batterers criminally pursued, and female batterers left alone. http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/304/kelly.pdf

- Men who are falsely accused of rape can have their names published and their lives ruined even if they are not convicted or charged - their accuser is protected and is likely to face no punishment, or a light one.

- Female-owned businesses get free government money for literally no reason other than being a woman (i.e. all other factors are equal, same size of business, same income, etc. etc. but the owner's gender is different = money or no money. Confessions of a "Woman-Owned Business" Owner - Reason.com

- Selective service. Enough said.

:wobadass: Uh oh! A wall of text! I know we're just talking past each other at this point. So I don't really expect you to address this. There are more things like the above, which feminist ideology is responsible for, but I'm tired of posting and it's Friday night.
 

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They're damn books, Jesus Christ. You really expect me to go through all of that as soon as you send them to me as if I have the time for that? Did you google the stuff that I brought up? Obviously not.

You were defending feminism by doing what you thought was correcting me. You seem to confuse paraphrasing someone with wrongly interpreting/wrongly quoting someone, and that's just not the case here. What's the point of explaining anything to you? Everything I wrote didn't get through and the things that you were posting only served to further prove the points that I was making.

Here's some examples, like how you asked:

- By directive of the US Department of Education: A rape accusation need not meet the legal standard of 'proof beyond a reasonable doubt' to end the accused's college career:

- The U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights has lowered the standards required to determine the outcome of a sexual discrimination or harassment case. The DEAR COLLEAGUE LETTER, April 2011, requires a preponderance of the evidence standard (satisfied if there is greater than 50 percent chance that the proposition is true) to resolve complaints of sex discrimination.

If you think that this will help men in some way, you're deluding yourself.

Title IV-D requires that a father be named if a woman who applies for welfare has kids, or the mother loses benefits. When benefits for free-loaders are about to be lost, they have no problem putting the name of a father down - right or wrong.

- The Injustice by Default article about child support legislation shows how easy it is to fraudulently name a random man as the father, and the difficulty he meets in acquitting himself of the ensuing debt, even when dna clearly shows that he's not the father.

- The Bradley Amendment requires state courts to prohibit retroactive reduction of child support obligations.

- Doug Dante's article here points out the laws involved in the federal subsidies aimed at maximizing child support payments. Follow the money: The Federal Government provides financial incentives to states' efforts to maximize the number of CS payers and the amount they are forced to pay.

- Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott's site forwards the assumption that noncustodial parents are fathers
A woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act, like statutory rape, committed by the woman- Hermesmann v. Seyer

- According to a 2010 report, Expanding Definitions of Domestic Violence”, 63% of states include emotional distress in their statutory definition of domestic violence. That means any person who claims to be “fearful” – no evidence necessary — is entitled to a protective order and the generous cornucopia of bennies that comes with it.

- Women are treated better in all aspects of the legal system. For instance, women receive lighter sentences and a higher chance of acquittal, simply for being women. http://www.terry.uga.edu/~mustard/sentencing.pdf

- The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting in having mostly male batterers criminally pursued, and female batterers left alone. http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/304/kelly.pdf

- Men who are falsely accused of rape can have their names published and their lives ruined even if they are not convicted or charged - their accuser is protected and is likely to face no punishment, or a light one.

- Female-owned businesses get free government money for literally no reason other than being a woman (i.e. all other factors are equal, same size of business, same income, etc. etc. but the owner's gender is different = money or no money. Confessions of a "Woman-Owned Business" Owner - Reason.com

- Selective service. Enough said.

:wobadass: Uh oh! A wall of text! I know we're just talking past each other at this point. So I don't really expect you to address this. There are more things like the above, which feminist ideology is responsible for, but I'm tired of posting and it's Friday night.

How does that prove that feminism is only about man hating? The shyt you just posted does not prove your point. Also please quote me saying feminism helps men. You paraphrasing things that you could never even imply from my post. I'll wait!
 
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Did you read the related article? That's not what he said:

Why Women Aren't Funny | Vanity Fair

Right, I can admit I scanned the article and more listened to Hutchens himself explain his theory in an interview. But the point is that he says women do not need to be funny because they are beautiful, which I feel doesn't give men enough credit. Humor is not needed in a woman due to the concept of survival of the fittest.

In any case, my argument doesn't say that there are no decent women comedians. There are more terrible female comedians than there are terrible male comedians, but there are some impressive ladies out there. Most of them, though, when you come to review the situation, are hefty or dykey or Jewish, or some combo of the three.

Now right here he has placed quantifiers on what a woman must have to most likely be considered funny. And to save his ass, he has thrown in the line " my argument doesn't say that there are no decent women comedians." I have a feeling this was put in as an attempt to cover up his true message: men are simply not smart enough to distinguish whether a woman is funny because they are controlled by their penises.


Male humor prefers the laugh to be at someone's expense, and understands that life is quite possibly a joke to begin with—and often a joke in extremely poor taste. Humor is part of the armor-plate with which to resist what is already farcical enough. (Perhaps not by coincidence, battered as they are by motherfukking nature, men tend to refer to life itself as a bytch.) Whereas women, bless their tender hearts, would prefer that life be fair, and even sweet, rather than the sordid mess it actually is.

Well this is just insulting, even if it's meant to be humorous. I have been told by my girlfriends to knock off my insulting jokes in the past. All women are sweet and soft? Seriously? I know that's what most men do think in the back of their mind, and that's where love comes from. But in my opinion self deprecation is the root of comedy. (And no, deprecation was not a typo).

Women's appetite for talk about that fine product known as Depend is limited. So is their relish for gags about premature ejaculation. ("Premature for whom?" as a friend of mine indignantly demands to know.) But "child" is the key word.

Getting banned from a website for calling Lady Gaga a copraphiliac and describing the songs that prove this.... eh... :yeshrug:

When you have had a disease what makes you poop your pants probably 7 times in your life, you learn that shyt is pretty damn funny.

Women also fall more heavily for dreams, for supposedly significant dates like birthdays and anniversaries, for romantic love, crystals and stones, lockets and relics, and other things that men know are fit mainly for mockery and limericks.

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Good god gag me here.


Yeah I didn't see anything he addressed that was any different than what I said previously. :ld:


All this insistence by you on hating feminists is really unattractive.

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Who cares ? Feminism only 'dominates' in the Western Wold. The other 6/7 of the planet hasn't yielded to the weaker sex. :whew:
 

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How does that prove that feminism is only about man hating? The shyt you just posted does not prove your point. Also please quote me saying feminism helps men. You paraphrasing things that you could never even imply from my post. I'll wait!

You defended feminism, and feminists regularly try and defend their bullshyt by saying things like, "Patriarchy hurts men, too!" and "You don't need a separate movement because you have feminism for that!" They do this to maintain complete control over the debate and it further evidences their disdain for men when they fight for the things like I posted and even if they don't, they sure don't pipe up in the name of gender equality when it's men whose interests are at stake. Maybe you could use a Xanax?

Right, I can admit I scanned the article and more listened to Hutchens himself explain his theory in an interview. But the point is that he says women do not need to be funny because they are beautiful, which I feel doesn't give men enough credit. Humor is not needed in a woman due to the concept of survival of the fittest.



Now right here he has placed quantifiers on what a woman must have to most likely be considered funny. And to save his ass, he has thrown in the line " my argument doesn't say that there are no decent women comedians." I have a feeling this was put in as an attempt to cover up his true message: men are simply not smart enough to distinguish whether a woman is funny because they are controlled by their penises.




Well this is just insulting, even if it's meant to be humorous. I have been told by my girlfriends to knock off my insulting jokes in the past. All women are sweet and soft? Seriously? I know that's what most men do think in the back of their mind, and that's where love comes from. But in my opinion self deprecation is the root of comedy. (And no, deprecation was not a typo).



Getting banned from a website for calling Lady Gaga a copraphiliac and describing the songs that prove this.... eh... :yeshrug:

When you have had a disease what makes you poop your pants probably 7 times in your life, you learn that shyt is pretty damn funny.



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Good god gag me here.


Yeah I didn't see anything he addressed that was any different than what I said previously. :ld:


All this insistence by you on hating feminists is really unattractive.

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Again, taking generalizing statements as absolutes and being offended are not things that prove someone wrong.
 

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You defended feminism, and feminists regularly try and defend their bullshyt by saying things like, "Patriarchy hurts men, too!" and "You don't need a separate movement because you have feminism for that!" They do this to maintain complete control over the debate and it further evidences their disdain for men when they fight for the things like I posted and even if they don't, they sure don't pipe up in the name of gender equality when it's men whose interests are at stake. Maybe you could use a Xanax?



Again, taking generalizing statements as absolutes and being offended are not things that prove someone wrong.

Show me my defense. Quote it (don't make up anything). Again, how does that prove that feminism is only about man hating?

Maybe you could use a Xanax. You are the only person emotional talking about how feminist/feminism makes you feel.

Do you think the civil rights movement is only about hating white people since it preaching equality and work to pass laws that help non white people?
 

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Show me my defense. Quote it (don't make up anything). Again, how does that prove that feminism is only about man hating?

Maybe you could use a Xanax. You are the only person emotional talking about how feminist/feminism makes you feel.

Do you think the civil rights movement is only about hating white people since it preaching equality and work to pass laws that help non white people?


feminist don't want equality they want the same freedoms that men get but the same responsibilities that women had before the feminist movement. Kenya i bet you want a man that is tall and makes more money then you.
 
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