Asian-American student with 1590 SAT score rejected by 6 elite colleges, blames AA

[Astroslik]

He never mentioned UCLA.

"The top-tier schools I applied to were MIT, CalTech, Princeton, Harvard, Carnegie-Mellon and U.C. Berkeley," he said.

Caltech is Caltech

Berkeley is California if you thinking in terms of college football. @DropTopDoc The full name of Berkeley is University of California at Berkeley. Berkeley is a suburb of San Francisco.

UCLA mean University of California Los Angeles. I guess they got a satellite in Berkeley but when ppl say Berkeley, they mean the one the has the California football team.

The way he talking he sound like UCLA is beneath him.

i know he didnt mention them. Just used them as a reference

 

[WIA20XX]

That was the 90s, surely surely things changed?

Uni I went to was 70:30 guys too girls, it was a mad house of a sausage fest

It's even worse now, and particularly bad at HBCU's.

It's been known for a LONG time that women do well in school and academics.

 

[Blackgate]

Sure, a black kid took his spot

International is a racial-ethnic group??? My first time seeing that one.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Lowkey, might be easier to get into MIT and Carnegie over UCLA. UCLA is attractive due to destination, sports and education all in one.

"easier" could be subjective depending on the candidate, but the average freshman SAT at MIT is 1535. At UCLA it's just 1405.

I think people who haven't dealt with the top-tier tech schools directly underestimate how ridiculously highly qualified every single kid at those places is. Admissions officers know that if you can't solve a differential equation on your own, figure out an angular mechanics solution under time pressure, write a convincing essay on virtually any subject, and do 30+ hours of homework after class every week while balancing the rest of your life too, then you're gonna straight wash out. There are no easy ways through. Some of these kids can be real dummies in the rest of their life, but in a classroom atmosphere every one better be able to get it done.

That's one reason I find this "I deserved it more than he did cause test scores" shyt disingenuous. Everyone who can do the work deserves to be there. Who "deserves" it most is a philosophical question with no easy answers.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

International is a racial-ethnic group??? My first time seeing that one.

International students are accepted through a different process than US students so they don't complete against them directly. Thus including then in the racial stats would be deceiving when you're talking about admission criteria. It's good to consider them separately.

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Asian kids be the Dre Archer of education. They run a 4.25 but are 5'3 and all of them are basically undersized KRs.

They don't excel at anything outside of education. They don't know how to lead teams. They don't know how to stand out outside of on paper. They don't do nothing for you in the grand scheme. They are Kick Returners.

To me, Jeremy Lin is an extreme impressive Asian. Most of them are just trained well but aren't really special.

Damn that Dri Archer was a throwback .


100% accurate too. Recruiters know that Asian parents are extra tough on kids and they all do the same intense SAT prep classes to boost their scores as much as 100 to 200 points.

Basically Asian kids wanna be judged on shyt where they think they have an advantage (tests they try to game) but not on that holistic process that is more subjective.

Average Asian kid going Ivy: I wanna go to XYZ fancy school and be a doctor, finance quant or engineer and build some business making $$$$$

Average Black kid going Ivy: I want to change the world for the better and here's how I plan to do it.......

The Black kid is wayyyyy more compelling because the admissions staff can see that Jamal isn't just just trying to get a fancy degree to enrich himself, he's more likely to impact his community and really DO something. Asian kids fail the whiteboard test. Plenty of Asians get into the elite schools because they understand the need for soft skills.

 

[#1 pick]

Damn that Dri Archer was a throwback .


100% accurate too. Recruiters know that Asian parents are extra tough on kids and they all do the same intense SAT prep classes to boost their scores as much as 100 to 200 points.

Basically Asian kids wanna be judged on shyt where they think they have an advantage (tests they try to game) but not on that holistic process that is more subjective.

Average Asian kid going Ivy: I wanna go to XYZ fancy school and be a doctor, finance quant or engineer and build some business making $$$$$

Average Black kid going Ivy: I want to change the world for the better and here's how I plan to do it.......

The Black kid is wayyyyy more compelling because the admissions staff can see that Jamal isn't just just trying to get a fancy degree to enrich himself, he's more likely to impact his community and really DO something. Asian kids fail the whiteboard test. Plenty of Asians get into the elite schools because they understand the need for soft skills.

If your ass is Black and you are even in the room, you know you had to overcome a lot of bullshyt. This ain't like Basketball, education got hurdles on top of hurdles for us.

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

It would be hilarious if they did repeal affirmative action and the lingo also made legacy admissions illegal as well

Reminds me of a court case in a local town where they were so concerned about stopping people from going door to door (salesman, preachers, ect) they inadvertently banned Halloween for children

 

[Professor Emeritus]

College I went to was predominantly white, but the head of admissions was black and relatively young. The black students got to know her and would hang out with her and her family. One night she told us how College admissions works: Gender balancing played the biggest role in admissions. Women made up the large pool of qualifying applicants. If you just chose based on merit, you'd have a student body of 80:20 women to men. If a school did that, then the top female applicants wouldn't apply or just attend elsewhere, as many want the possibility of meeting their husband in college, and that ain't happening at a school that looks like a WNBA training camp. That meant men of all races received preferential treatment

@Fanservice, @MostReal, and the other 14 of you who dapped that nonsense statement about "white women are the greatest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action", did you see this?

By the traditional criteria, women qualify for college at far higher rates than men. Only the tech degrees (outside of bio) are still majority men, and even those are getting evened out. If colleges weren't desperate to get a decent # of men in their student body, the %'s would be even worse. Claiming that colleges are using Affirmative Action to benefit white women is total nonsense, and the current attacks on race preferences in college admissions don't even address gender.

 

[perfectblack999]

Asian dudes don't realize it but these schools don't want Asians like that. It got nothing to do with AA, everything to do with a balanced student body

Right. There’s literally 1000s of the same person right behind him. Hard to market a school where everyone looks the same, has the same background, has the same thought process, same goals, etc.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

For now, Students for Fair Admissions has but one goal in mind: to bring race-based college admissions to an end.

The affirmative action practice that has allegedly sidelined high-achieving Asian Americans now sits before the U.S. Supreme Court, awaiting a decision that, depending on the outcome, could alter the review process for college applications for the foreseeable future.

Its fate could also weigh heavily on the academic futures of people like 18-year-old Jon Wang, a Florida native who scored a 1590 out of 1600 on the SAT, with a perfect score on the math section. Combined with a 4.65 high school GPA, most would see him as a shoo-in for any elite university.

Somehow, the numbers still weren't high enough.

"The top-tier schools I applied to were MIT, CalTech, Princeton, Harvard, Carnegie-Mellon and U.C. Berkeley," he said.

Wang was rejected by all of them.

But the rejection letters didn't come without warning. Wang told Fox Nation he talked to friends and school guidance counselors going into the application process, and they all issued a bizarre warning.

"They all told me that it's tougher to get in, especially as an Asian American. I just took it as gospel," he said.

Wang, the child of two first-generation Chinese immigrants, is one of the people behind the plaintiff group taking on Harvard University and the University of North Carolina — two institutions whose race-based admissions practices have emerged at the epicenter of affirmative action practices for public and private institutions.

Cap @ UC Berkeley which doesn’t have AA. Breh just looks like every other Asian profile that’s all grandes and scores and nothing else.

 

[WetinBeDat]

MIT (Common Data Set 2021-22 — MIT Institutional Research):


Harvard (Admissions Statistics):


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Princeton (Admission Statistics | Princeton Admission):

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It would be hilarious if they did repeal affirmative action and the lingo also made legacy admissions illegal as well

Zero chance they do that. WAY too many people close to them freely in those legacy admissions.

Plus, they're gonna claim that colleges admitting whoever they want to admit is a "freedom" issue.... except when the people they want to let in are Black.

 

[8WON6]

Average Asian kid going Ivy: I wanna go to XYZ fancy school and be a doctor, finance quant or engineer and build some business making $$$$$

Average Black kid going Ivy: I want to change the world for the better and here's how I plan to do it.......

repped.

 

[ORDER_66]

Right. There’s literally 1000s of the same person right behind him. Hard to market a school where everyone looks the same, has the same background, has the same thought process, same goals, etc.

And it's ridiculous because they ALL are trying to get into the same school...

Maybe just spread out a little bit apply to other lesser known schools???