Black enrollment is waning at many elite colleges after affirmative action ban

[Gritsngravy]

I can't speak for anyone else but I feel like I made it despite my background.
I didn't attend a prestigious university or universities.
My parents weren't rich.
And I somehow work alongside those kinds of people.
At the same time, I do feel this is a time to examine prestigious universities and
their purpose in society.
And we need to ask how much we really need them or the industries they typically feed (like consulting and finance).

The only thing I can really think of is at them elite schools it’s more class options, you could take an “exotic” class on a topic where the professor can be one of the few who can discuss it, access to certain tech, access to “exotic” majors

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Experience informs perspectives, but it doesn't override facts about systemic inequality, fairness, or access. Just because you went to an HBCU doesn't mean your personal experience overrides the facts. You're leaning on that as a shield while avoiding the fact that you are using HBCUs to rationalize why Black students shouldn't have equal access elsewhere. There's a sad irony is how you defend a system that was designed to exclude us under the guise of concern for Black people.

You still do not know what your talking about, the fact is that you are The Roland Martin of TheColi:

That's poor reporting.

Hillary Clinton Unveils Initiative That Would Give $25 Billion to HBCUs


"Earlier this week, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton unveiled an initiative that aims to combat the rising costs of college tuition and that would also give billions of dollars in funding to HBCUs.

Under the New College Compact, states would be responsible for eliminating student loan debt by providing additional funding to universities, and colleges would be required to control costs to keep tuition rates down. Clinton's proposal also provides $25 billion to private HBCUs, schools that she has commended for increasing the number of Black educators and Black engineers in the country.

By allotting more federal funds for HBCUs—and favoring schools that accept higher numbers of low- and middle-income students—and ensuring that students can use scholarship funds for living expenses, Clinton hopes to fully eliminate the need for Black students to take out loans.

In the event that a student would have to take out a loan, her initiative would reduce the interest rates. Additionally, a portion of the proposed funding would be invested in programs like TRIO and GEAR UP, which provides services like child care to student parents."

Like I said before.......You do not know what you are talking about. Go back to doing those Democratic Shill squats, you are going to need them for the next election:

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

You still do not know what your talking about, the fact is that you are The Roland Martin of TheColi:





Like I said before.......You do not know what you are talking about. Go back to doing those Democratic Shill squats, you are going to need them for the next election:

In a thread about declining Black enrollment at elite schools, you jumped in to rationalize exclusion by hiding behind HBCUs. You can't reckon with the fact that you've been justifying unfair treatment, so now you're deflecting. It's not like you had much of an argument in the first place, though.

 

[Insensitive]

We need to attack the idea of Education as a product.
The "elite school" in a merit based world, should not exist.
There should be no reason why like Harvard, Princeton, USC, Stanford, etc.
are really just hedgefunds that teach classes.

That's a huge issue.

Instead of pretending that this thing we know is bad, is good, we should instead ask
why it exists in the first place and why we allow it.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

In a thread about declining Black enrollment at elite schools, you jumped in to rationalize exclusion by hiding behind HBCUs. You can't reckon with the fact that you've been justifying unfair treatment, so now you're deflecting. It's not like you had much of an argument in the first place, though.

Enrollment is low at HBCUs, and at other colleges:

College enrollment is dropping for ‘low-quality schools,’ economist says | The College Fix

The 3 million student drop in college enrollment since 2010 is largely attributable to high schools shunning underperforming universities, a higher education economist says. Preston Cooper said “most…

www.thecollegefix.com

You're not concerned or outraged, you are just a Democratic shill with fake outrage.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

We need to attack the idea of Education as a product.
The "elite school" in a merit based world, should not exist.
There should be no reason why like Harvard, Princeton, USC, Stanford, etc.
are really just hedgefunds that teach classes.

That's a huge issue.

Instead of pretending that this thing we know is bad, is good, we should instead ask
why it exists in the first place and why we allow it.

bro, you cool, but this some smart dumb nikka babble. in a true merit based system, elite systems will arise. the best cluster with the best based on merit. there are tiers to everything, school, clothing, restaurants, etc. even in sports, the more something sees success, the more elite talent/customers/students/athletes it will attract and compounding that excellent performance over time ends up creating an upper echelon category. those schools are much more than hedge funds, they are able to put money into research that would never happen if it relied on purely capitalist markets that expect profits. the bad thing is hamstringing them from having their own programs to provide access to their spaces to those who aren't already in the elite ecosystem but have the aptitude to be

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Enrollment is low at HBCUs, and at other colleges:

College enrollment is dropping for ‘low-quality schools,’ economist says | The College Fix

The 3 million student drop in college enrollment since 2010 is largely attributable to high schools shunning underperforming universities, a higher education economist says. Preston Cooper said “most…

www.thecollegefix.com

You're not concerned or outraged, you are just a Democratic shill with fake outrage.

Nope. My stance is universal and based on principles, not partisan or personal. I want Black students to have the same freedom of choice as anyone else, whether that means attending an HBCU, a PWI, or anywhere else. You keep trying to twist that into some political thing because you can't defend how your argument excuses inequality. I'm arguing for access and opportunity. You're arguing for limits.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

bro, you cool, but this some smart dumb nikka babble. in a true merit based system, elite systems will arise. the best cluster with the best based on merit. there are tiers to everything, school, clothing, restaurants, etc. even in sports, the more something sees success, the more elite talent/customers/students/athletes it will attract and compounding that excellent performance over time ends up creating an upper echelon category. those schools are much more than hedge funds, they are able to put money into research that would never happen if it relied on purely capitalist markets that expect profits. the bad thing is hamstringing them from having their own programs to provide access to their spaces to those who aren't already in the elite ecosystem but have the aptitude to be

This would make a little sense if everyone in America started at the same place and access to the same resources. Since that isn’t the case, this post doesn’t make sense

 

[Insensitive]

bro, you cool, but this some smart dumb nikka babble.

It's not smark dumb nikka babble at all.

in a true merit based system, elite systems will arise. the best cluster with the best based on merit. there are tiers to everything, school, clothing, restaurants, etc.

Yeah but this has already been researched extensively in several texts:

The 9.9 - The New Aristocracy (couldn't get the spotify link to Embed, I but I recommend you all listen to this book.
It's a fantastic listen and a great read, I have a physical copy too!)

The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World - Another great book.
I can't get the spotify link to embed but I think people should listen to and read it.
I also own a copy of this.


How merit works in practice actually has fukk all to do with how y'all FEEL about it.

An awesome long form article from the author of the first book I posted. (This is a link)

The first book is fantastic and has a ton of sources for the statistics and covers class, elite institutions, the pipelines they
provide to prestigious industries and specifically how they reproduce and calcify class through various measures that
actually don't have any at-fukking-all to do with inherently "Smarter" or "Better" than everyone else.

even in sports, the more something sees success, the more elite talent/customers/students/athletes it will attract and compounding that excellent performance over time ends up creating an upper echelon category.

yeah but work isn't a 1:1 relation to sports.
And we both know that.

they are able to put money into research that would never happen if it relied on purely capitalist markets that expect profits. the bad thing is hamstringing them from having their own programs to provide access to their spaces to those who aren't already in the elite ecosystem but have the aptitude to be

Well for one, no one argued that they should be hamstrung.
For two, they 100% benefit from their huge endowments.
That's not up for "debate".
This is known thing (my sources, click the links!):

Endowments are Hedgefunds btw. (Link 1)

Buying tons of assets and real estate...like a hedge fund (Link 2)










Unless you know something everyone else doesn't ?
Idk!
Put me on game !

Also, turning this thread into an elite circle jerk because the subtext of someone else's post is:
"Are these people even actually "elite" or more capable than everyone else? or are we just allowing
people to game the system ?" is exactly how we got here.

You might take it as a personal attack on you because you graduated from Stanford or whatever, but that shyt is
neither here nor there because REALITY disagrees with what you talkin' about.

 

[Insensitive]

To reiterate:
Elite institutions in practice just become another product for the rich to purchase.
Another badge for those who endlessly pursue prestige and merit.

This phenomenon has been written about extensively actually and there are several
cottage industries that have formed around getting students into these institutions through gaming the system
OR through using their outsized financial advantage to prepare their kids in a way that no one else could
hope to.

My first text that I brought up actually talks about the spending that's done to bolster pre-college resumes and academic performance.

Again, reinforcing class and calcifying people's place in society.

If College is supposed to be something that allows for upward mobility and society is organized around merit
then clearly fukking money muddies the waters and it isn't nearly as cut and dry as y'all pretend.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

This would make a little sense if everyone in America started at the same place and access to the same resources. Since that isn’t the case, this post doesn’t make sense

it literally addresses the point that everyone doesnt start at the same place and why these schools had ways to provide access to those that don't come from the pipeline but have the aptitude. literally no place on earth since civilization started do all people start at the same place. hierarchy is fundamental to civilization

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

It's not smark dumb nikka babble at all.



Yeah but this has already been researched extensively in several texts:

The 9.9 - The New Aristocracy (couldn't get the spotify link to Embed, I but I recommend you all listen to this book.
It's a fantastic listen and a great read, I have a physical copy too!)

The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World - Another great book.
I can't get the spotify link to embed but I think people should listen to and read it.
I also own a copy of this.


How merit works in practice actually has fukk all to do with how y'all FEEL about it.

An awesome long form article from the author of the first book I posted. (This is a link)

The first book is fantastic and has a ton of sources for the statistics and covers class, elite institutions, the pipelines they
provide to prestigious industries and specifically how they reproduce and calcify class through various measures that
actually don't have any at-fukking-all to do with inherently "Smarter" or "Better" than everyone else.


yeah but work isn't a 1:1 relation to sports.
And we both know that.



Well for one, no one argued that they should be hamstrung.
For two, they 100% benefit from their huge endowments.
That's not up for "debate".
This is known thing (my sources, click the links!):

Endowments are Hedgefunds btw. (Link 1)

Buying tons of assets and real estate...like a hedge fund (Link 2)




Unless you know something everyone else doesn't ?
Idk!
Put me on game !

Also, turning this thread into an elite circle jerk because the subtext of someone else's post is:
"Are these people even actually "elite" or more capable than everyone else? or are we just allowing
people to game the system ?" is exactly how we got here.

You might take it as a personal attack on you because you graduated from Stanford or whatever, but that shyt is
neither here nor there because REALITY disagrees with what you talkin' about.

i'm heading into an interview and don't have time to reply to all of this, but no where have i ever implied that "elite" = smarter or more capable. it's a profile people fit and network they are born into or develop, that's it. they are born from pooling resources that come from compounded success which in turn, attracts more of the elite.

edit: and i don't feel attacked, i may have went to one of these schools but i didn't fully pivot into those elite circles. being an outsider amongst them is what informs my perspective and why i accept that there will always be "levels to this" and why i think providing access to at least a few others matters

 

[Insensitive]

i'm heading into an interview and don't have time to reply to all of this, but no where have i ever implied that "elite" = smarter or more capable. it's a profile people fit and network they are born into or develop, that's it. they are born from pooling resources that come from compounded success which in turn, attracts more of the elite.

edit: and i don't feel attacked, i may have went to one of these schools but i didn't fully pivot into those elite circles. being an outsider amongst them is what informs my perspective and why i accept that there will always be "levels to this" and why i think providing access to at least a few others matters

Nah, I feel you!


There will always be levels to success and succeeding but I don't feel that society as it stands now really addresses that kinda stuff.

I can agree that it's really terrible that we're facing these attacks on affirmative action.

I can agree that the university is a tool for upward mobility and even more so in the case of elite institutions.

I largely agree with you, we're both products of education and what it means (though, as I've stated before, I've never
attended a truly "elite" university and instead always opted for the lowest cost option for myself while navigating
a rough background/upbringing).

I just feel the very idea of Universities as prestige factories is something we should think about and consider if it's even something we should
have in the first place.

Forgive me if my last post came off as super hostile or anything.

You're a very dope poster.

 

[David_TheMan]

Dr. Carter G Woodson wrote this in 1933.
92 years ago.
https://www.jpanafrican.org/ebooks/3.4eBookThe Mis-Education.pdf <Download and read it folks.

I post this because he called out the issue with higher education and that has not changed. This is the reason black males are dropping out of school in droves and rightfully so, eating massive debt (due to federal subsidization and the increase in costs it drove) for little pay is not sound and kissing white rich folks ass isn't a real strategy to get ahead in life.

As Dr. Carter says perfectly

The Failure to Learn to Make a Living
The greatest indictment of such education as Negroes have received, however, is that they have
thereby learned little as to making a living, the first essential in civilization. Rural Negroes have
always known something about agriculture, and in a country where land is abundant they have
been able to make some sort of living on the soil even though they have not always employed
scientific methods of farming. In industry where the competition is keener, however, what the
Negro has learned in school has had little bearing on the situation, as pointed out above. In
business the role of education as a factor in the uplift of the Negro has been still less significant.
The Negroes of today are unable to employ one another, and the whites are inclined to call on
Negroes only when workers of their own race have been taken care of. For the solution of this
problem the "mis-educated" Negro has offered no remedy whatever.
What Negroes are now being taught does not bring their minds into harmony with life as they
must face it. When a Negro student works his way through college by polishing shoes he does
not think of making a special study of the science underlying the production and distribution of
leather and its products that he may someday figure in this sphere. The Negro boy sent to college
by a mechanic seldom dreams of learning mechanical engineering to build upon the foundation
his father has laid, that in years to come he may figure as a contractor or a consulting engineer.
The Negro girl who goes to college hardly wants to return to her mother if she is a
washerwoman, but this girl should come back with sufficient knowledge of physics and
chemistry and business administration to use her mother's work as a nucleus for a modern steam
laundry. A white professor of a university recently resigned his position to become rich by
running a laundry for Negroes in a Southern city. A Negro college instructor would have
considered such a suggestion an insult. The so-called education of Negro college graduates leads
them to throw away opportunities which they have and to go in quest of those which they do not
find.
In the case of the white youth in this country, they can choose their courses more at random and
still succeed because of numerous opportunities offered by their people, but even they show so
much more wisdom than do Negroes. For example, a year or two after the author left Harvard he
found out West a schoolmate who was studying wool. "How did you happen to go into this sort
of thing?" the author inquired. His people, the former replied, had had some experience in wool,
and in college he prepared for this work. On the contrary, the author studied Aristotle, Plato,
Marsiglio of Padua, and Pascasius Rathbertus when he was in college. His friend who studied
wool, however, is now independently rich and has sufficient leisure to enjoy the cultural side of
life which his knowledge of the science underlying his business developed, but the author has to
make his living by begging for a struggling cause.

This observer was reminded of this young woman soon thereafter when there came to visit him a
friend who succeeded in mastering everything taught in high school at that time and later
distinguished himself in college. This highly educated man brought with him a complaint against
life. Having had extreme difficulty in finding an opportunity to do what he is trained to do, he
has thought several times of committing suicide. A friend encouraged this despondent man to go
ahead and do it; the sooner the better. The food and air which he is now consuming may then go
to keep alive someone who is in touch with life and able to grapple with its problems. This man
has been educated away from the fruit stand.
This friend had been trying to convince this misfit of the unusual opportunities for the Negroes in
business, but he reprimanded his adviser for urging him to take up such a task when most
Negroes thus engaged have been failures.
"If we invest our money in some enterprise of our own," said he, "those in charge will misuse or
misappropriate it. I have learned from my study of economics that we had just as well keep on
throwing it away."
Upon investigation, however, it was discovered that this complainant and most others like him
have never invested anything in any of the Negro enterprises, although they have tried to make a
living by exploiting them. But they feel a bit guilty on this account, and when they have some
apparent ground for fault-finding they try to satisfy their conscience which all but condemns
them for their suicidal course of getting all they can out of the race while giving nothing back to
it.

If any of you have not read it, I suggest you do read it and realize the same situation exists today and doing the same thing and expecting different results is the sign of insanity.

 

[Cobalt Sire]

So… mission accomplished then?

Great…



More “tangibles”, right Coli dumbasses?

Are we forcing you guys to vote a certain way? If not, then shut the fukk up. You can't stop me from voting how I want to vote. I want Black people to get something in return for their vote. You want crumbs and a pat on the head. Bring me my tangibles or kick rocks, motherfukker.