Black enrollment is waning at many elite colleges after affirmative action ban

[Pull Up the Roots]

Because you do not know what you are talking about.

Research shows that Black students are more likely to earn their bachelor’s degrees at HBCUs than Black students at other schools. In my professional working experience, I have met multiple Black coworkers, Black professionals at conferences, etc. who overwhelmingly said they wished they had gone to and graduated from an HBCU.

Black students are 40% more likely to earn their bachelor’s degrees at HBCUs than Black students at other schools.

Black Students Are 40% More Likely to Earn Degrees at HBCUs—Here's Why

Us FBAs have HBCUs we can attend. If FBAs decide to go to a PWI, we can do so also. If an FBA would like to forgo college and go to a trade school, we can do that also.

I know what I'm talking about. You're twisting everything to fit your narrative. I'm not arguing against HBCUs. I'm arguing against using them as an excuse to justify an uneven playing field.

You're trying to flip something that was born out of necessity into a justification for ongoing inequality. And you're trying to dress that up as pride, when it is simply denial. HBCUs are vital and deserve every bit of support, but they shouldn't be used to rationalize why Black students are being locked out of other spaces.

Do you think society should be fair or not? If you do, you should be able to understand that fairness means options. It means the freedom to thrive wherever we choose, not just where we've been pushed. I'm defending self-determination. You want to push a narrative that defends the same system that forced our ancestors to build HBCUs in the first place. It makes no sense.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

No you didn’t affirmative action only benefits white women. Nothingburger.

You actually had a chorus of morons saying this shyt a year ago when the Ttump supreme court made this move. The fools that spent all of the past damn near ten years claiming to be stalwart defender of black people were of course the loudest. Niccas is so fake and afraid of the white man its pathetic.

She disguising herself as a black woman tho. No tangible no vote tho. Trump ain't doon nothin to hurt black American faadosncaaxyz SPECIFICALLY tho! Leaves massa alone!

Let's see if any of the people that spent months bytching about Indians, talking "racist liberals" conspiracies, and didn't vote have anything to say about a descendant of German euro trash immigrants Donald Drumpf limiting our childrens access to college. They ain't gonna do shyt. Since this doesn't "specifically" hurt them or some other dumb shyt.

Straight p*ssy.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

Ok, we see what the problem is. The Asians helped Caucasians remove Affirmative action, PWI enrollment of Black people is down, while a bit up for Asians.

So, does anyone have any solutions for this? Pointing fingers at each other will not resolve this, and this play against us occured in June 2023.

So now Mr black American intellect and the loud "protest Democrats for reparations" clique wants everyone to stop pointing fingers and come up with solutions? All that smooth talk about whos "people" are the most superior but now you need help with this? No motherfukker.

We warned all all the way back in 2016 that if Hillary Clinton loses and Republicans win, civil rights laws that help black people are cooked. Its as simple as that. Yall called it "democrat fear monerging." Yall called us who knew what the fukk was up and dont need to overcompensate as militant intellects "shills for the Dems." Yall said a Trump win will in fact benefit black people, give us jobs, and only hurt the immigrants like a bunch of naive redneck cacs.

You and everyone that thought protesting Democrats was some higher thinking own this shyt. You own the all time low black unemployment rate (I thought getting rid of the illegals would help us!). You own this new low in black college admissions. You own every disaster that comes our way for black people and everyone. Dont run away now.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

Let them have it. Since they gave all our political power to the Dems, no negotiations, that's all they CAN do.

Do you understand this was a Supreme Court decision by a set of conservative MAGA? You know, YOUR PARTY. But somehow you wanna blame Democrats or Democrat voters for this?

How do you simps put up with this lazy political hack agent pretending she gives a fukk about black people? You dont love black people you just hate Democrats and immigrants.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

I had to go back and give it a read, since that was before my time here. Very interesting write up. Thank you for quoting it, because I would have never seen it otherwise.

"Thank you for giving me a bullshyt rationale to act like a coward in the face of explicit white supremacist political power against me at work. For a moment I thought I had to actually fight back. FBA unite!"

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

Do you think society should be fair or not?

No he doesn't. If he did he would be a liberal.

The dumb nicca is a twisted black fascist Trump supporter living in some lala land where he actually believes he has a special designated spot right beneath good ole massa in an unequal society as a "foundational American." Its that "is we good massa" house nicca mentality passed all the way down to this obnoxious loser.

Thread should be a united call to action against Republicans, conservatives, and the white supremacists in that movement actively bringing discrimination back to higher education. Instead these cowards wanna twist it into a victory for "FBAs" Because a lot of those recipients were the evil bloodsucking "other black people" too and not just "FBAs" exclusively. Go Trump!

Does this sound like the thinking of someone who is truly prideful in fighting white supremacy (a liberal) or a complete sick demented mentally defeated crab-in-a-barrell conservative COOOOON.


What a USELESS, TRASH "movement" the shyt has become. I hope people recognize the goal of morons like @Bunchy Carter @HarlemHottie @Uachet @JT-Money and the rest of the "drape ourselves in the American flag" house nicca defense squad. And that is to suppress black activism and to disrupt any criticism or action against white supremacy and its current hero Donald Trump. These people are resentful ENEMIES of black unity and movement.

 

[RamsayBolton]

Until you figure out what REALLY happened, there is no chance for us to win that fight.

I literally quoted the stats in this thread: the 'black' population at elite PWI's was rising, yet FBA numbers were falling, replaced by black immigrants or biracials. Combined, monoracial FBA's were down to 40% of the population by the 90's. (I put it in bold bc ppl keep skipping over it, very strange, like a sudden blindness.)

We lost it for the very reason you suggest: those "black students" were apparently no longer in need of "accommodations." It gave them the exact excuse they needed. The right has been talking about it for a while now. It poisoned the whole basis of affirmative action. Why do yall not see this? They didn't wanna give it in the first place and we gave them the perfect excuse, allowing ourselves to be replaced by ppl who WERE NOT descendants of American slaves, to whom they made the original promise.

How does that change what I said? We'd still have to prove that and fight for that for the next few decades

It'd be more lineage-based than just race based in the end, which makes sense. Doesn't change that the argument has to be made for years and years and with a better-aligned supreme court at the end of it. Trump's supreme court isn't going to have that at all

 

[ORDER_66]

I hope people recognize the goal of morons like @Bunchy Carter @HarlemHottie @Uachet @JT-Money and the rest of the "drape ourselves in the American flag" house nicca defense squad. And that is to suppress black activism and to disrupt any criticism or action against white supremacy and its current hero Donald Trump. These people are resentful ENEMIES of black unity and movement.

muthafukka what?!?!

 

[gldnone913]

Those numbers suck

The pushback on DEI has contributed to the contraction, but I wonder if the Black kids who traditionally would be applicants at these schools either chose HBCUs or chose institutions outside of the elites/Ivys

While yall are doing Diaspora Wars in the thread, it's more likely Black students who met the admission requirements aren't applying at the same rate

 

[Bunchy Carter]

I know what I'm talking about. You're twisting everything to fit your narrative. I'm not arguing against HBCUs. I'm arguing against using them as an excuse to justify an uneven playing field.

You're trying to flip something that was born out of necessity into a justification for ongoing inequality. And you're trying to dress that up as pride, when it is simply denial. HBCUs are vital and deserve every bit of support, but they shouldn't be used to rationalize why Black students are being locked out of other spaces.

Do you think society should be fair or not? If you do, you should be able to understand that fairness means options. It means the freedom to thrive wherever we choose, not just where we've been pushed. I'm defending self-determination. You want to push a narrative that defends the same system that forced our ancestors to build HBCUs in the first place. It makes no sense.

No, you do not know what you're talking about. You try to act like you are well verse in this subject, but you are not.

You keep talking about fairness, and this is not fairness. I presented to you an article based on research that Black students who go to PWI's (Non-HBCUs) have a lower chance of graduating than Black students who go to HBCUs.

I know from experience, that is not fairness or equality. You are saying that these Black students should have a fair opportunity to attend these PWIs only to drop out, be pushed out because of racism, recieve low grades because they are Black and rack up debt.

Fairness for Black students who attend PWIs is receiving equal and fair treatment, unbiased teachers, etc.

Black students are 40% more likely to earn their bachelor’s degrees at HBCUs than Black students at other schools.

Black Students Are 40% More Likely to Earn Degrees at HBCUs—Here's Why

Like I said before, you do not know what you are talking about. FBAs are not complaining about not going to a 98% White college.

Because you do not know what you are talking about.

Research shows that Black students are more likely to earn their bachelor’s degrees at HBCUs than Black students at other schools. In my professional working experience, I have met multiple Black coworkers, Black professionals at conferences, etc. who overwhelmingly said they wished they had gone to and graduated from an HBCU.

Black students are 40% more likely to earn their bachelor’s degrees at HBCUs than Black students at other schools.

Black Students Are 40% More Likely to Earn Degrees at HBCUs—Here's Why

Us FBAs have HBCUs we can attend. If FBAs decide to go to a PWI, we can do so also. If an FBA would like to forgo college and go to a trade school, we can do that also.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

No, you do not know what you're talking about. You try to act like you are well verse in this subject, but you are not.

You keep talking about fairness, and this is not fairness. I presented to you an article based on research that Black students who go to PWI's (Non-HBCUs) have a lower chance of graduating than Black students who go to HBCUs.

I know from experience, that is not fairness or equality. You are saying that these Black students should have a fair opportunity to attend these PWIs only to drop out, be pushed out because of racism, recieve low grades because they are Black and rack up debt.

Fairness for Black students who attend PWIs is receiving equal and fair treatment, unbiased teachers, etc.

Black students are 40% more likely to earn their bachelor’s degrees at HBCUs than Black students at other schools.

Black Students Are 40% More Likely to Earn Degrees at HBCUs—Here's Why

Like I said before, you do not know what you are talking about. FBAs are not complaining about not going to a 98% White college.

That article doesn't prove your point, it proves mine. The study doesn't show that Black students shouldn't be at PWIs, it shows how much better Black students do when they're actually supported. HBCUs succeed because they were built to nurture and invest in us, not to gatekeep or discriminate. That's not an argument for limiting access, it's an argument for what real equity looks like.

What you're trying to argue is actually backwards. You're trying to take evidence that proves systemic inequality and using it to justify keeping the system unequal. It's self-defeating nonsense.

Look, I'm not saying every Black student has to go to a PWI, I'm saying every Black student should have the *option* to, without being shut out or set up to fail. That's what I mean when I talk about fairness. Using HBCUs to rationalize exclusion at other institutions isn't pro-Black, it's the same "separate but equal" justification for limited access we've been hearing forever. And being shut out doesn't benefit Black people.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

No, you do not know what you're talking about. You try to act like you are well verse in this subject, but you are not.

You keep talking about fairness, and this is not fairness. I presented to you an article based on research that Black students who go to PWI's (Non-HBCUs) have a lower chance of graduating than Black students who go to HBCUs.

I know from experience, that is not fairness or equality. You are saying that these Black students should have a fair opportunity to attend these PWIs only to drop out, be pushed out because of racism, recieve low grades because they are Black and rack up debt.

Fairness for Black students who attend PWIs is receiving equal and fair treatment, unbiased teachers, etc.

Black students are 40% more likely to earn their bachelor’s degrees at HBCUs than Black students at other schools.

Black Students Are 40% More Likely to Earn Degrees at HBCUs—Here's Why

Like I said before, you do not know what you are talking about. FBAs are not complaining about not going to a 98% White college.

There’s a lot of flaws in your argument with the biggest one is that you are equating all PWI’s with the Elite Universities discussed in the article.

You’re equating Black students who attend the Ivy League, Flagship state universities and elite small liberal arts schools with other mid tier white universities and that’s not accurate. Your statement about Black students dropping out and racking up debt is way less likely to happen at an elite university than anywhere else. You bring up graduation rates but Black Students at Yale, Princeton and Harvard (97,97,98) graduate at a 30 percent higher clip than the highest HBCU which is Spellman at 67 percent.

You’re argument about Student debt doesn’t make sense with Elite universities since many elite universities use their endowments to provide extraordinary financial aid packages to Black Students. The average student debt of a Black student who attends an AAU based university (The most prestigious universities) is only 11,036 for their undergraduate studies while the average HBCU graduate student loan debt is 32,373 for their undergraduate studies.

Your argument is misguided because the average PWI is not the average elite university.

The reason why this is so imperative is because these small universities have a dramatic outsized influence on society. Nature magazine did an article that highlighted how the most powerful people in Business, Military and the Media only come from 34 Colleges and Universities.

 

[Insensitive]

Absolutely horrific but state universities and HBCUs can still offer you a competitive education.
The problem is as it has already been stated, the private universities and the prestigious universities are incredibly difficult to get into
and usually only those of exceptional talent or a monied background CAN.

Which is means that a product that already reproduces class will calcify further.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

This is absolutely disastrous for the Community

Yo… you can’t be serious…

 

[JT-Money]

Yo… you can’t be serious…

These dudes have no shame.