Black enrollment is waning at many elite colleges after affirmative action ban

[Bunchy Carter]

That article doesn't prove your point, it proves mine. The study doesn't show that Black students shouldn't be at PWIs, it shows how much better Black students do when they're actually supported. HBCUs succeed because they were built to nurture and invest in us, not to gatekeep or discriminate. That's not an argument for limiting access, it's an argument for what real equity looks like.

What you're trying to argue is actually backwards. You're trying to take evidence that proves systemic inequality and using it to justify keeping the system unequal. It's self-defeating nonsense.

Look, I'm not saying every Black student has to go to a PWI, I'm saying every Black student should have the *option* to, without being shut out or set up to fail. That's what I mean when I talk about fairness. Using HBCUs to rationalize exclusion at other institutions isn't pro-Black, it's the same "separate but equal" justification for limited access we've been hearing forever. And being shut out doesn't benefit Black people.

In this thread, I never said that Black students should only go to HBCU's only and I never said Black students shouldn't be at PWIs. I said......That's why we have HBCU's.

That's why we have HBCU's

Me saying "That's why we have HBCU's," got your panties in a bunch. Like I said before, you do not know what your talking about.

 

[Gritsngravy]

When I was in 3rd grade my teacher told me I could be president

When I was in 3rd grade, the teacher went on a rant about why black men ain’t shyt in the middle of class unprovoked

 

[HarlemHottie]

It'd be more lineage-based than just race based in the end, which makes sense.

Go ahead and make that argument itt, I'm trynna see something.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Me saying "That's why we have HBCU's," got your panties in a bunch. Like I said before, you do not know what your talking about.

Just like ICE, they're mad bc ppl aren't responding how they expected. Just like dikkhead over at the Heritage Foundation who wrote his dissertation on us and also thought he knew how we'd respond.

Every time somebody do us dirty, we supposed to run out in the street and self-immolate on the pyre of democracy. They're very accustomed to using OUR blood to water the tree of liberty. They're actually annoyed that we're calmly assessing what needs to be done itt. Notice how those posts get no daps.

Continue to confound our enemies, bp.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

In this thread, I never said that Black students should only go to HBCU's only and I never said Black students shouldn't be at PWIs. I said......That's why we have HBCU's.



Me saying "That's why we have HBCU's," got your panties in a bunch. Like I said before, you do not know what your talking about.

You can try to walk it back all you want, but the implication of what you said was clear. Saying "that's why we have HBCUs" in a discussion about declining Black enrollment at PWIs *is* a justification -- it's you implying the decline isn't a problem because we already have "our own." That's not a neutral statement, especially in this context; it's a dismissal.

And I do know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about actual fairness. I'm talking about the ability for Black students to thrive anywhere, not just where the system has decided to funnel them. You're using HBCUs as a shield to avoid addressing inequality.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Saying "that's why we have HBCUs" in a discussion about declining Black enrollment at PWIs *is* a justification -- it's you implying the decline isn't a problem because we already have "our own." That's not a neutral statement, especially in this context; it's a dismissal.

" Electricity is down due to a storm!"

"Good thing we got a generator. "

"Are you implying the storm is not a priority??? "

" "

 

[Bunchy Carter]

You can try to walk it back all you want, but the implication of what you said was clear. Saying "that's why we have HBCUs" in a discussion about declining Black enrollment at PWIs *is* a justification -- it's you implying the decline isn't a problem because we already have "our own." That's not a neutral statement, especially in this context; it's a dismissal.

And I do know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about actual fairness. I'm talking about the ability for Black students to thrive anywhere, not just where the system has decided to funnel them. You're using HBCUs as a shield to avoid addressing inequality.

Like I said.....you do not know what you are talking about.

I have been saying the same thing since 2014, and I have been speaking on topics like (HBCU and PWI's) this since 2014.

I said this back in 2014:

Bullshyt, I went to an HBCU and I am pretty successful. It's how you apply yourself, there are people that graduated from MIT, CAL TECH, PENN; top notch school, who are unemployed. The enrollment has dropped down since the integration; if you took time to read the article "Historically black colleges once were the only option for most black students, who made up almost 100 percent of their enrollment in 1950. That began to change in the 1960s, as many doors that once were shut to blacks were opened." Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 was implemented in 1954, and that is why HBCU went down; because blacks said to themselves these negro schools ain't shyt, we need the white man's (acceptance) books to be smart.

Also with that integration brought excellent athletes, which brings forth money to the white schools. David "Deacon" Jones Mississippi Valley State University, Jerry Rice Mississippi Valley State University, Shannon Sharpe Savannah State University, Walter Payton Jackson State, Doug Williams Grambling State, Steve McNair Alcorn State University , Donald Driver Alcorn State University & etc. All went to HBCU and the white schools knew they needed those bodies (slavery) to make entertainment for their school.

A lot of excellent black players in the south had to go to HBCU because the white institutions did not allow them. The only schools which allowed blacks were up North and the West.

It was not until 1970 when USC beat the shyt out of . Alabama with Sam "Bam" Cunningham, Southren Colleges integrated and that was the start of the downfall of HBCU.







I can agree with that

The 1st post in which you ever mentioned HBCUs was back in 2016 when your screen name was Crowd Surf Off A Cliff, and it was a Democratic Shill post for Hillary Clinton. @HarlemHottie this guy has always been a Democratic Shill.

That's poor reporting.

Hillary Clinton Unveils Initiative That Would Give $25 Billion to HBCUs


"Earlier this week, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton unveiled an initiative that aims to combat the rising costs of college tuition and that would also give billions of dollars in funding to HBCUs.

Under the New College Compact, states would be responsible for eliminating student loan debt by providing additional funding to universities, and colleges would be required to control costs to keep tuition rates down. Clinton's proposal also provides $25 billion to private HBCUs, schools that she has commended for increasing the number of Black educators and Black engineers in the country.

By allotting more federal funds for HBCUs—and favoring schools that accept higher numbers of low- and middle-income students—and ensuring that students can use scholarship funds for living expenses, Clinton hopes to fully eliminate the need for Black students to take out loans.

In the event that a student would have to take out a loan, her initiative would reduce the interest rates. Additionally, a portion of the proposed funding would be invested in programs like TRIO and GEAR UP, which provides services like child care to student parents."

Like I said before.......You do not know what you are talking about.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Like I said.....you do not know what you are talking about.

I have been saying the same thing since 2014, and I have been speaking on topics like (HBCU and PWI's) this since 2014.

I said this back in 2014:



The 1st post in which you ever mentioned HBCUs was back in 2016 when your screen name was Crowd Surf Off A Cliff, and it was a Democratic Shill post for Hillary Clinton. @HarlemHottie this guy has always been a Democratic Shill.




Like I said before.......You do not know what you are talking about.

What matters isn't who said what in 2014 or 2016, it's that you're still leaning on an argument that ignores how systemic barriers shape access and opportunity. Invoking HBCUs to rationalize discrimination is backwards. You can dig up whatever past posts you need to try to save face, or call anyone you want for backup, but that doesn't change what you're doing. And why it's self-defeating.

And my name in 2016 was "Blessed Is The Man," but that's irrelevant." You're going to have to find another avenue of attack to deflect with, buddy, because this one doesn't work. My profile is open for everyone to see.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

What matters isn't who said what in 2014 or 2016, it's that you're still leaning on an argument that ignores how systemic barriers shape access and opportunity. Invoking HBCUs to rationalize discrimination is backwards. You can dig up whatever past posts you need to try to save face, or call anyone you want for backup, but that doesn't change what you're doing. And why it's self-defeating.

And my name in 2016 was "Blessed Is The Man," but that's irrelevant." You're going to have to find another avenue of attack to deflect with, buddy, because this one doesn't work. My profile is open for everyone to see.

It does matter what was said back in 2014 and 2016.

Here is another post I made back in 2015 in a Ivy League vs HBCU thread, what I am saying in this thread is what I have always said on here.

That shyt kills me every time I hear black folks say that shyt. These brothers and sisters go to PWI's and are still unemployed, even the black athletes that go to PWI's and win championships and the school received 50 million from the win, are unemployed.

Black folks can not understand your just making them more rich, HBCU's started because PWI's did not want your black ass until they found a way to make money off of you.

My first job out of college, my manager went to Clark Atlanta

You have always been a Democratic shill, the Democrats put the battery in you back and that is why you are in this thread lol.

Like I said you do not know what you are talking about. If this thread was about HVAC/R, and Democratic shilling....Yes, you would know what you are talking about.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

It does matter what was said back in 2014 and 2016.

Here is another post I made back in 2015 in a Ivy League vs HBCU thread, what I am saying in this thread is what I have always said on here.




You have always been a Democratic shill, the Democrats put the battery in you back and that is why you are in this thread lol.

Like I said you do not know what you are talking about. If this thread was about HVAC/R, and Democratic shilling....Yes, you would know what you are talking about.

Experience informs perspectives, but it doesn't override facts about systemic inequality, fairness, or access. Just because you went to an HBCU doesn't mean your personal experience overrides the facts. You're leaning on that as a shield while avoiding the fact that you are using HBCUs to rationalize why Black students shouldn't have equal access elsewhere. There's a sad irony is how you defend a system that was designed to exclude us under the guise of concern for Black people.

 

[Insensitive]

I can't speak for anyone else but I feel like I made it despite my background.
I didn't attend a prestigious university or universities.
My parents weren't rich.
And I somehow work alongside those kinds of people.
At the same time, I do feel this is a time to examine prestigious universities and
their purpose in society.
And we need to ask how much we really need them or the industries they typically feed (like consulting and finance).

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Sucks to see. The most recent class at Stanford was only 4% black. Don’t know the percentage in recent years, but it was 13% when for my class. But this is that racism out loud y’all asked for, Trump shutting down a major path to black socioeconomic advancement by making sure black folks can only attain “black jobs”

 

[africngiant]

this country is cooked im telling my yns coming up to get a trade. whoever i can. this white collar pipeline ain’t for us. it’s in the name, who they prioritize.