Asking Melo To Take A Paycut After This Past Season is Insulting

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Really? They want dude to take less money to play with the mediocre roster they have. To play under one of the worst front offices in sports? After the season the Knick just had and the monstrous season Melo had they want him to take less? Thats just insulting to me.

I change my original stance. NY should offer less but it shouldn't be anywhere $30M less because it's mostly the league's fault when it comes to injury at any age because they set the format at 82 games, so that they can bring in more money. Therefore, they should absorb most of the loss.
 

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If Melo wants a quality team why not take less?

You nikkas just like bytching about everything the Knicks do.

b/c the knicks are in no danger of being "quality" any time soon. pay cut or not.
 

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How can they offer him a 5th year and $129M total?
They can't

Most they can offer is 4 yr deal at around 18.2 mill per year not bad but not max

Thing is with Phil saying he wants melo to take a pay cut he leveling the playing field for everybody else like Houston and Chicago although Houston a little lower at what they can offer around 16 mill.

This is why this makes no sense to me. Ny biggest leverage was the money. Phil is basically begging melo to leave at this point and he doing it in a way where the fans won't be upset with him cause he can spin it as melo unwilling to take a paycut to help the team making melo the selfish one when in reality Phil pushing dude out the door but being slick about it so he won't get back lash
 

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They can't

Most they can offer is 4 yr deal at around 18.2 mill per year not bad but not max

Thing is with Phil saying he wants melo to take a pay cut he leveling the playing field for everybody else like Houston and Chicago although Houston a little lower at what they can offer around 16 mill.

This is why this makes no sense to me. Ny biggest leverage was the money. Phil is basically begging melo to leave at this point and he doing it in a way where the fans won't be upset with him cause he can spin it as melo unwilling to take a paycut to help the team making melo the selfish one when in reality Phil pushing dude out the door but being slick about it so he won't get back lash

So, you think Phil will offer him less than what everyone can?
 

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b/c the knicks are in no danger of being "quality" any time soon. pay cut or not.

Basically it's one season before they can really attack the free agent market with their current make up.

Melo ain't take a pay cut last time even after the Knicks traded a ton of assets for him.
 

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They can't

Most they can offer is 4 yr deal at around 18.2 mill per year not bad but not max

Thing is with Phil saying he wants melo to take a pay cut he leveling the playing field for everybody else like Houston and Chicago although Houston a little lower at what they can offer around 16 mill.

This is why this makes no sense to me. Ny biggest leverage was the money. Phil is basically begging melo to leave at this point and he doing it in a way where the fans won't be upset with him cause he can spin it as melo unwilling to take a paycut to help the team making melo the selfish one when in reality Phil pushing dude out the door but being slick about it so he won't get back lash

At this point, it's obvious Melo will leave.
Miami is a slam dunk to win, to despite him sacrificing a lot of money, while Houston and Chicago will be miles better than the Knicks with Melo.
 

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So, you think Phil will offer him less than what everyone can?
I really don't see how he does not offer a paycut at this point

He made that public. That's something that could have been kept behind closed doors. Making it public was only done to make the departure all on melo. Phil knows how critical that ny media can be. Phil know exactly what he doing
 

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I really don't see how he does not offer a paycut at this point

He made that public. That's something that could have been kept behind closed doors. Making it public was only done to make the departure all on melo. Phil knows how critical that my media can be. Phil know exactly what he doing

What I'm asking is, are you saying you think he plans to offer him less than what everyone else can or just less than $129M?
 

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What I'm asking is, are you saying you think he plans to offer him less than what everyone else can or just less than $129M?
At this point I think Phil is prepared to offer melo less than what his competitors are offering

Pay cut means pay cut I'm sure he don't mean from 22 mill to 20 mill. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out the number is around 15 mill a year
 

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They can't

Most they can offer is 4 yr deal at around 18.2 mill per year not bad but not max

Thing is with Phil saying he wants melo to take a pay cut he leveling the playing field for everybody else like Houston and Chicago although Houston a little lower at what they can offer around 16 mill.

This is why this makes no sense to me. Ny biggest leverage was the money. Phil is basically begging melo to leave at this point and he doing it in a way where the fans won't be upset with him cause he can spin it as melo unwilling to take a paycut to help the team making melo the selfish one when in reality Phil pushing dude out the door but being slick about it so he won't get back lash

NY's Biggest leverage is still the money, you just have to look deeper into the CBA beyond the idea of a Kobe Max.

The knicks can still give Melo that 5th year and a greater 7.5% increase on his salary every year compared to the bulls and rockets who unless the knicks agree to Sign and Trade him will only be able to give Melo 4.5% increase a year and a 4th year.

If anything Phil isn't bidding against himself. Melo can go to the bulls and rockets for the 18 I believe max plus a 4th year at a 4.5% increase or he can stay in NY for 18 Million Max plus a 5th year at a 7.5% increase. Or he could convince those teams to sign and trade for him for the money he wants (Kobe Max) and the knicks will get assets in return for the 23 million (because thats the only way he gets a kobe max). The bulls and Rockets have created the Market, Phil is just responding to it.

What your seeing here is Phil being a competent business exec. Add to the fact both teams look like they need a lot more than just Melo to be real contenders and I think it becomes clear Melo won't leave unless its for the money and yeah the Knicks are going to get something for him. Also no i do not think the knicks are willing to give Melo that kobe max.

EDIT: I just did the math if Melo leaves and signs for 18 for 4 years he will see an additional 8 million dollar increase in his salary over 4 years. If he stays with the knicks for 18 he'll get an additional 38 million (this sum includes the 5th year) over the 5 years of his contract. So basically the knicks can still offer him 30 million more than anyone else if he takes a pay cut plus that 1 year of extra security. They should call this the Lebron rule because he made it this way.

shyt even if the knicks offered him 16 he would still make more playing for the knicks over the life of the contract compared to playing for the Bulls or Rockets at a higher starting salary of 18.
 
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NY's Biggest leverage is still the money, you just have to look deeper into the CBA beyond the idea of a Kobe Max.

The knicks can still give Melo that 5th year and a greater 7.5% increase on his salary every year compared to the bulls and rockets who unless the knicks agree to Sign and Trade him will only be able to give Melo 4.5% increase a year and a 4th year.

If anything Phil isn't bidding against himself. Melo can go to the bulls and rockets for the 18 I believe max plus a 4th year at a 4.5% increase or he can stay in NY for 18 Million Max plus a 5th year at a 7.5% increase. Or he could convince those teams to sign and trade for him for the money he wants (Kobe Max) and the knicks will get assets in return for the 23 million (because thats the only way he gets a kobe max). The bulls and Rockets have created the Market, Phil is just responding to it.

What your seeing here is Phil being a competent business exec. Add to the fact both teams look like they need a lot more than just Melo to be real contenders and I think it becomes clear Melo won't leave unless its for the money and yeah the Knicks are going to get something for him. Also no i do not think the knicks are willing to give Melo that kobe max.

EDIT: I just did the math if Melo leaves and signs for 18 for 4 years he will see an additional 8 million dollar increase in his salary over 4 years. If he stays with the knicks for 18 he'll get an additional 38 million (this sum includes the 5th year) over the 5 years of his contract. So basically the knicks can still offer him 30 million more than anyone else if he takes a pay cut plus that 1 year of extra security. They should call this the Lebron rule because he made it this way.

shyt even if the knicks offered him 16 he would still make more playing for the knicks over the life of the contract compared to playing for the Bulls or Rockets at a higher starting salary of 18.

Is the total on your edited section $110M vs. $80M?
 

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Is the total on your edited section $110M vs. $80M?

yep but thats if all parties offered 18 million it changes depending on the amount, but like I said even if melo take 16 million he'll make like 26 more with the knicks overall than starting at 18 with the Bulls. That fifth year guarantee plus 7.5% increase in salary is will definitely be a major motivator for Melo regardless of base salary.

If neither team can make it out the first round for reason beyond anything Melo can fix (bulls have nobody who legitimately can score, Harden is shook and the rockets defense can't stop Aldridge) why would he lose money and security to play for those teams?

In my opinion Phil saying that was if anything just making it known that the knicks won't bid against themselves (like they have done since Dolan bought the team).
 
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